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Iran, Syria part of the problem, not the solution

Posted: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:51 PM by Jen Brown

By Lt. Colonel Rick Francona, MSNBC Military Analyst

The Iraq Study Group released its report today after nine months of meetings, interviews and travels.  The bottom line is a recommendation that the United States transition its force structure in Iraq from one of primarily combat forces to one of a military training mission, while at the same time diplomatically engaging Iran and Syria.  The report also concludes that a solution to the Arab-Israeli problem is essential to achieving American goals in the region.

There does not appear to be anything new here, nor has anything especially prescient – this is what been leaked over the past few weeks.  Much of what the study group recommends is already in progress.  Senior military officers have advocated increased training of Iraqi security forces – police, army, border forces, etc - for the last two years.  In fact, the primary focus of the last year has been a new emphasis on training the Iraqis.  This has always been part of the plan: as Iraq forces become more capable, American combat forces can withdraw – and only then.

Probably the most contentious of the recommendations is the call for a “diplomatic and political offensive” engaging regional players, including Iran and Syria. 

Iran and Syria are part of the problem, not part of the solution.  Expecting these regimes to stop actively working against the American presence in Iraq and now assist the United States government to achieve its goals in Iraq is pretty far-fetched.  Will the Iranian and Syrian governments agree to talk about Iraq?  Certainly – this legitimizes and rewards their unhelpful past behavior and partially achieves their objectives.  Talks with them will be on their terms - they will be happy to take whatever action hastens the withdrawal of American forces in defeat.

The recommendation to talk to the Iranian government is sure to set off alarm bells in Tel Aviv.  Israeli leaders on all sides of the political spectrum remain convinced that Iran poses an “existential threat” to the state of Israel.  They fear American negotiations with Tehran over the situation in Iraq may weaken American resolve on Iran’s suspect nuclear weapons program. 

I don’t think anyone believes that the current strategy in Iraq is working.  The study report will hopefully convince the president that his current strategy in Iraq has failed.  Changes – major shifts in strategy - are necessary and coming.  That said, negotiating American foreign policy with Iran and Syria is not a good course of action.

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I must take strong objection with Col. Francona on talking to Iran and Syria. We've made enough mistakes in this fiasco in Iraq; the biggest is going it alone.
We're as much mischief makers as Iran and Syria, so why fight the march of history. The Iraqis themselves look to Iran and Syria much more than to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc. I think we should try to get along in that neighborhood rather than try to isolate countries; that's another failure of this administration.
This administration doesn't know what diplomacy means.
The Baker-Hamilton report reads like a repeat of history, appease the enemy (Syria & Iran) and punish the friends (Israel)  As Neville Chamberlain should have told Adolph Hitler to "go jump in the lake", so too Syria & Iran should be told the same.
As for Israel, the only democracy in the region and our only friend in the area; their security should be our main concern.  
Mr. Deutsch is saying it well.  We are as much the culprits as are Iran and Syria. The present situation would not exist had the USA under Mr. Bush's tutelage not chosen to invade Iraq under an erroneous premise. The answer remains to include all mid-East nations in an effort to get stability in the region exercising the compromises needed and gracefully make our exit.
I'm disappointed by Lt. Colonel Francona's remarks. He still seems to think that the very politican's who got us into this mess, mismanaged it, misled the effort (and the American people), can somehow salvage somewthing. Our first mistake was trusting a bunch of failed corporate executives with managing Iraq...and the Presidency. Take a look at Iraq, there are more contractors furiously making monye than soldiers. Our Prsident in charge of Vice receives more than a million dollars annually from the biggest swine feeding at that trough - Halliburton. We tried to impose a government and a "peace" and reconstruction before we had won the war. If we had fought Germany or Japan that way, we never would have won World War II. If you mean to fight a war, you fight it to win and you use the best generals you have. Substituing a crowd of draft dodging cowards, liars, and corporate failures for real leadership is no way to wage a war. Now that we have failed and failed miserably, now that we are left without a shred of hope for victory, we need to beg anyone willing to help to stop the loss of our brave young men and women and drag our sory butts out of this mess. And that, it seems to me, to include Syria and Iran.
Of course we have to deal with other players in the game.  The US still has a few powerful cards to play, but we must be at the table to enter the game.
Simple isolation does not work. Think Cuba - for over 40 years.
Irwin,

Despite the difficulty of quelling violence in Iraq, putting US involvement on parallel with states that are on a terror watch list approved by even the Clinton administration...  this is more hyperbole from the left. Acknowledging mistakes or miscalculations is far different than suggesting policy that is on the fringes of US foreign policy thought ("Why fight the march of history?"). You fail to recognize those fights and stands that have been made by our country in the past... that have served the world very well. While Bush should have been looking for different solutions and approaches over 18 months ago (or more), our roadblocks there do not justify talks with Iran or Syria. It seems that Lt. Col. Francona, might have a bit more expertese in this area.
Everyone should re-read the last paragraph.  It's very balanced and fair...  just firm about the consequences of talking to Iran and Syria
Of course we have to deal with other players in the game.  The US still has a few powerful cards to play, but we must be at the table to enter the game.
Simple isolation does not work. Think Cuba - for over 40 years.
With such a high percentage of NIMRODS in this country , its no wonder things arent going well .
The Colonel has it right about Syria and Iran being a cause of the probelms . Direct military action against them in the 1st place is what needed to happen  when this was determined in the 1st place . But in our political climate ( with so many defeatiast pacifist NIMRODS ) this was completely off the table , and a vietnam-esque outcome was quite certain anyway . Had we confronted Syria and Iran in the 1st place , and did a better job of stopping 'foreign' militants from starting and supporting the instability in Iraq , we wouldnt have all the bad news of today and the Iraqis would have had a much better start for themselves . This is all quite simple , we couldnt see the trees because of the forest . We cant win wars anymore . We have bred and raised too many 'losers'. Our loss came from within our own . The great generation that won World War 2 was incredibly different from our current generation.
The days of the USA being able to win any war are long gone. We wont even be able to win a war against a country that invades our homeland . We sure in the hell cant win against mexico ! Put that in your pipe and smoke it !
We're strong only in being friendly to friends, were much stronger if we can make frieds out of enemies.
We have a one-track dead-end philosophy ie if youre black, youre always black... we take somebody as they were...forever.
Our policy n mindset never changed.
I believe anything is better than "stay the course". Yes, we were criminally misled with this whole fiasco. My question is when; are King George and The money the grubbing Cheney going to be charged, judged and sent to prison for the rest of their miserable lives?
Why is the Jewish media so against the broadcasting of Al Jazeera in America? It is because they know that Al Jazeerah will expose the fact that the real and only problem in the Middle-East is Israeli terrorism against the Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and Iranians? They know that Al Jazeerah will expose how AIPAC and Jewish congressmen bribe America congressmen to support Israeli terrorism against the Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and Iranians.  Al Jazeera will expose the fact that the only reason America invaded Iraq was because Ariel Sharon ordered George Bush to attach any Muslim willing to stand up to Israeli terrorism.
Lt Colonel Rick Francona has got it right: In my experience Hamilton's involment only means taking worker's tax money, and giving it away to enemies who want to slit our throats; The U.S. and its citizens will get nothing in return; it's just high level politics not good government protecting it's citizens.
I agree with Lt. Col. Francona that Iran and Syria are part of the problems in this region and they will never be part of the solution.  To use an old analogy, asking them to be in on the solution would be like asking the fox for suggestions on how to keep the hen house secure.
As Mr. Baker pointed out today on NBC Nightly News, we talked for over 40 years with the Soviets, an enemy devoted to our destruction.  So why not talk to Iran and Syria?  They helped us go after al Qaeda after 9/11, and it's not that they are unwilling to talk with us, it's more the other way around.

The main challenge to this will be the predictable opposition from Israel's supporters, who want to make their enemies our enemies.  They would also like nothing better than a permanent US presence in the area no matter what the cost to our country.
as an iranian i would like to comment to article, most of the people who are aginat engaging iran are ignoring ine fact. thay is america is stuck in iraq, so practically everyday passes it is america that loose money and blood. so america has 3 choise, stay and bleed, leave with engagment with some cotrol or just leave and hope for the best.
babak
The message is loud and clear, America has become a Paper Tiger!
I applaud Jim Baker and crew. But, the title of the report should be "Earth to George/Reality Check...or...Stop Playing Politics and Fix the Problem." It seems our fearless "leader" is really a "follower" in that he's apparently the last one to admit/realize the disaster that is Iraq. Scarey having a president in denial. And, we do need to talk to Iran and Syria, but be firm. I know some people from both countries. Their leaders ALSO do not represent the majorty population view. The last thing we want to do is give the reasonable people of those countries a reason to hate us and rally behind THEIR corrupt leaders...
Who is going to believe Bush has the judgment to know how to win this war, let along be successful with diplomatic efforts with Syria who must be feeling very uncomfortable anyway, and Iran, who wants to show the world that it can play with the powers of the day.  And if you think of the Iraq War as a strategy that is flawed, putting your enemy in the right and then asking them how you should conduct affairs is just plan asking for it.  Diplomacy does not have to be all that nice.  But does Bush have any morale authority with Iran or Syria? Somehow, invading Iraq makes Bush's last stand seem futile.  Why not get the UN to intervene and broker a peace deal that benefits all concerned?  If Iraq became two states, one allied with Iran and the other with Syria - would that be a defeat of Western values?
Iran and Syria are already involved as a part of the problem.
They look forward to our giving up on Iraq.
They hate the only democratic state in the region with a passion and surely don't want another one.
The price for getting Iran's help will be allowing it to continue with its nuclear program.  Syria's price will be for us to sell out Lebanon.  Are we really that desperate?  

Syria and Iran share only disdain for the US.  They are idologically opposite.  They both backing opposing factions in the fight.  The US will have more influence by withdrawing out of the major fighting areas but influencing the outcome.  If we could play our cards better we could unhinge the Syria-Iran alliance.
Why should USA have any goals at all in the middle-east?
Is that region for colonial exploitation and Catholic conversion? Is that region for ever to be a secret pumping ground for American prosperity? Is that region to expand the biblical warfares of the Jewish state? Is that a yard for slaughtering humans?? Is that region for corruption with the mutations of human traditions??
We've got to talk to Iran and Syria in one way or another, why not start with something mutually of concernt? We can throw a few bones at them for their (a-hem) aid with Iraq, then turn around and say to them, we came your way, now how are you going to meet us in the middle? The more their sucess is tied to ours, the more they will have a stake in aiding -not undermining - us.
ALL of you that seem to believe that the Bush Administration is at fault for invading Iraq- GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE!  You would have done the same if you were in his position and faced with the same intelligence- and if you didn't, you would have been derelict in your duty and grossly negligent of your responsibilities.  It is sorry people like yourselves that are part of the problem.  The insurgency in Iraq KNOWS that they cannot defeat the United States on the battlefield, hence the COWARDLY use of IEDs and the murder of unarmed innocent people.  They are counting on spineless, bleeding heart liberals to win it [the war] for them from thousands of miles away- and here you are, doing their dispicable work.  You are the real enemy of this country and should be ashamed to even show your faces in public.  I would rather that you go to Iraq and join the insurgency so that you may be disposed of properly.
In the game of Power Politics, it seems to me, Iran and Syria have already come out the big winners: engaging them in 'talks' only validates and acknowledges their success.  Napoleon's march on Moscow and Hitler's opening up the same eastern front are only two comparable examples, excluding Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, in which a defense industry has wreaked incalculable harm on its own national interests.  The strategy to keep the world unstable in order to shift the national wealth into arms development, America's last viable industry,by Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Bush family, has made us all much for vulnerable to terrorist holocausts. We had already introduced ourselves into centuries-old tribal hatreds among the Semitic tribes, at great taxpayer expense.  Now, we have stirred the sectarian pot by means of misinformation and subtrefuge.  Unfortunately, we still live in the Petroleum Age, and this Administration has recklessly put our civilization's future on the line in order to settle old scores. The only truly despicable actors in this drama are General Powell, who should have fallen on his sword rather than go before the UN, and the Members of Congress to have voted their personal interests above the national one and, as in the Bay of Tonkin, abdicated to a clearly prevaricating President.  Get the troops out now.  There is no diplomatic solution.  Let the Middle East exhaust itself into its own form of accommodation.  They'll still pump oil for the money.
The problem-as i can see it-is that the USA are trying to enforce their interrests over the world;fair enough, but i'm not very sure if president Bush is promoting his own selfish interrests or the USA's ones.What are we trying to do in the Middle-East region ? I believe we want oil. And Iran and other powers there wants the same. The problem stands at : who should be entitled to that oil ? The powerfull one ? You know, the power balance is dynamic,and the nuclear weapons plays the bigger role.So, maybe would be more benefitial to the USA's best interrest to find a peacefull deal with the powers there.
Colonel Francona and those who think like him are yet another part of the problem. He rejects diplomacy with Iraq's neighbors as if our plans for Iraq are nobler than theirs - they aint. We're remaining there to protect the oil which the oil companies are attempting to steal by getting the puppet government to negotiate Production Service Contracts (PSC's). And let us not forget that it is Israel's occupation and genocide of the Palestinians which is the No.1 cause of terrorism in and from the area.
We need to pull out, let the cretins come up with another Sadam type government, organize and centralize themselves again...and ATTACK!
In the game of Power Politics, it seems to me, Iran and Syria have already come out the big winners: engaging them in 'talks' only validates and acknowledges their success.  Napoleon's march on Moscow and Hitler's opening up the same eastern front are only two comparable examples, excluding Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, in which a defense industry has wreaked incalculable harm on its own national interests.  The strategy to keep the world unstable in order to shift the national wealth into arms development, America's last viable industry,by Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Bush family, has made us all much for vulnerable to terrorist holocausts. We had already introduced ourselves into centuries-old tribal hatreds among the Semitic tribes, at great taxpayer expense.  Now, we have stirred the sectarian pot by means of misinformation and subtrefuge.  Unfortunately, we still live in the Petroleum Age, and this Administration has recklessly put our civilization's future on the line in order to settle old scores. The only truly despicable actors in this drama are General Powell, who should have fallen on his sword rather than go before the UN, and the Members of Congress to have voted their personal interests above the national one and, as in the Gulf of Tonkin, abdicated to a clearly prevaricating President.  Get the troops out now.  There is no diplomatic solution.  Let the Middle East exhaust itself into its own form of accommodation.  They'll still pump oil for the money.
Talking to Iraq and Syria need not be sucking up to them.We should put our cards on the table and tell them if they do not want to discuss the Iraq situation with regard to their influence by sending in terrorists there will be drastic measures taken.
We cannot enter any negotiations as a sign of weakness.
Finally Bush and Cheney plus Karl Rove should resign immediately because they have managed the most corrupt administration in American history.That is why we are in
such bad shape as a country witthout a future.
 Respectfully yours,
   Leon A. Gold(an 83 year old senior)

Talking to Iraq and Syria need not be sucking up to them.We should put our cards on the table and tell them if they do not want to discuss the Iraq situation with regard to their influence by sending in terrorists there will be drastic measures taken.
We cannot enter any negotiations as a sign of weakness.
Finally Bush and Cheney plus Karl Rove should resign immediately because they have managed the most corrupt administration in American history.That is why we are in
such bad shape as a country witthout a future.
 Respectfully yours,
   Leon A. Gold(an 83 year old senior)

GET OUT  LET THEM FIGHT IT OUT AMONG THEMSELVES
Talk to Syria and Iran? I see some of you aren't capable of grasping the full meaning of Ahmadinejad's statements such as "God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States etc." You don't grasp what Ahmadinejad is all about and in your utter foolishness you recommend "negotiating" with him, whatever that means. Good luck on your navite.
Colonel Francona fails to mention that the Report fails to address the issue of terrorism, which is what we were supposed to be fighting in the first place - not Iraq. He is wrong in assuming that there will be any 'solution' by training the Iraqis and not reaching out to the other countries in the area. His reccomendations will find us still there, five years later, and 30,000 dead troops later, discussing how to get out. He has Viet-Nam syndrome.
Also,

"The recommendation to talk to the Iranian government is sure to set off alarm bells in Tel Aviv.  Israeli leaders on all sides of the political spectrum remain convinced that Iran poses an “existential threat” to the state of Israel.  They fear American negotiations with Tehran over the situation in Iraq may weaken American resolve on Iran’s suspect nuclear weapons program."

Colonel Francona fails to recognize that Israel IS the main obstacle to peace in that area. Until they can live peacefully without invading and bombing their neighbors (which they can't) and stop occupying and committing genocide on the Palestinians (which they wont), there will never be peace in the Middle East. Until the U.S. quits supporting them, WE will not have peace. It's really very simple.
Here is the real Rule of International Law: "The Big Guy Wins." There is no "coalition of the willing," despite the flowery words of our cheerleader-president. The anti-American sentiment is fueled by our American penchant for indecisiveness, and plain old abandonment of our allies in a storm. But we should never have been in Iraq; we were lied to by our Born Again Leader. Shame on us, for falling for his tripe. Shame on him for acting and playing the fool to the international stage. History shall be very hard on you, Mr. Bush. Now, bring our uniformed patriots home, before we are lost in this quagmire. Oh, yes, and impeach our leaders...they should be fired. Remember the old bumper sticker? "Would someone please give this guy a blow job so we can impeach him!" The hypocrisy of the Republican Party (until recently, my party) knows no bounds.
I think we should pass a law where is mandatory on lawmakers and cabinet members to send their sons and daughters to war, 100 from senate and 500 from congress, maybe this way our "representatives" will think twice before preempting or invading another country, (i had two of mine in iraq from feb 2003 to oct 2003, with the marine corps, they did come back in one piece but traumatized for what they went thru.) My grandaughter had seen pictures from the destruccion caused by american bombs in iraq and lebanon, and pictures of people daunting america and americans to get out of the meddle east, at her 10 yrs of age, she is allready thinking of ways to stop the goverment from selling arms and bombs to other countries of this world, and the future is for her.
Hey I think the US should not play the blame game. They were out of their league in Iraq..Just put Saddam back ,, HE knows what to do ..... The whole world will appreciate it.  stupid american administration.  He will sort out your mess for you ,he knows how  to control these  insurgents.. you can't expect the iraqis to keep quiet when a foreign power is holding its leashes.. that a'int patriotic is it??. Same thing in Afgan.. Just get out and leave them and everybody in PEACE .. PLEASE>>>>>
Bush, his handlers & minions have not a shred of credibility.How the world allowed this horrendous crime to be commited & continue is a shame on us all.
Turn our collective backs & shun them.

How can we ever fix the damage & suffering we brought to these people? One helpful thing would be to get out, send massive amounts of aid, & stay out of the business of sovereign nations around the world. Instead work with nations to improve the world, even try & save the world. Stop the Imperialism machine, it does not work except to enrich a few & destroy those in it path.

The biggest Middle East fix is to give the palestinians their lands back, all of it.
Pay them compensation for our hand in their oppression for low these many decades. Stop
rubber stamping Israel's aggression.
The attempt to dialougue with the Iranian regime is stupendous. We need to ascertain their exact objectives and define each and every one of their intentions in the region and then do everything possible to thwart every last plan that they have. We need to stay if it is only to contain them. Bye-bye once again Jim Baker.
The United States have always thought themselves superior to anybody and above all the laws which have until now granted us peace. By deciding to go to Irak without the UNO's approval, They have isolated themselves. They should now change their foreign policy. Because left alone, they will lose what have always made them loved, feared and admired all around the world, THEIR STRENGTH.
England and the USA have always created problems in the mid-east; not for the carrots grown there...but the OIL! Look into the mirror, please.
Up and mighty attitude on the part of this present administration has to be shed first to approach any realistic solutions for Iraq conundrum. As someone has said it in the blog thread, failed coporate executives, clueless presidency with know-all-impish tempremant has got us into the mess. Best form of leadership comes from highest form of humility and nobility - both of which this leadership collectively lacks. Getting down from the highest pedastal and approaching the problems from other's point of view will sometimes avert drastic, ghastly loses our young and brave service men and women.
Francona agrees with the report's assessment that "current strategy has failed in Iraq". We also know, and the report verifies this, that training the Iraq army and police is failing miserably. This means the US will not be able to stand down. The US is trapped and needs help to get out. Israel invaded Lebanon and pulled out after it realized it cannot win, so the US has no option but to leave asap. Either way Bush succeeded in the Afghanization of Iraq. There will be decades of war, poverty, corruption,death in Iraq and continued trampling of civil rights here. Iran and Syria are there whether we like it or not. Bush has failed miserably on every project he has undertaken, and this is no exception. This report is an attempt to bail him out- as usual.
Read Joel Rosenberg's EPICENTER (sans the biblical gooble-de-gook) - Russia ia really the key now. The mistake has already been made, and it was a terrible one: the only thing that kept Iraq together before was a ruthless dictator; when you take the dictator away, you leave a void. If you don't have a plan to fill that void, and quickly, you get what you have now. This is especially obvious in a country composed of two religious sects who don't get along (the Kurds seem to be doing pretty well on their own, so give them their own state - by the way, why aren't we talking with them more?). The fact that the major Arabic nations are composed of varying mixes of Shiites and Sunnis who don't get along for the most part should give everyone a clue. At this point, our ONLY option is to talk to the Sunnis and Shiites together face to face but only AFTER we immediately get rid of the militias and death squads.
Yes, let's negotiate with the Germans and Japs to stabilize the situation on the ground they are the regional powers after all. None of our American boys should be fighting in Europe or Asia.  (Think December 6, 1941)
Saddest of all is a BLUE RIBBON panel doing the work of this administration. Its another indication this administration has no idea what its doing. 10yr olds see the obvious. Its failed and its time to leave. We dont need a stupid administration or BLUE RIBBON has beens to say that. Failure is the mark of this administration. Name one single victory.
From a previous comment; You fail to recognize those fights and stands that have been made by our country in the past... that have served the world very well. And those fights and stands are what? And benefitted who? Governments have rarely operated in the global sphere out of altruism. There are always "interests" involved. What are these "interests"? Invariably oil, diamonds, sugar, etc. Who benefits from the protection of these "interests"? The ultra wealthy. Certainly the world doesn't benefit. People, children, are starving to death today nearly everywhere on the planet.  Every day, more than 16,000 children die from hunger-related causes--one child every five seconds. Why? Ask yourself that question. Examine your beliefs. Think about "served the world very well".
The real question is not whether Iran and Syria will help us achieve our goals in the region, but whether they want a stable Iraq.  If we leave without achieving any kind of stabiltiy, Iran and Syria could have more serious problems with their own stability.  The Sunni governments in the area have as much at stake as anyone in a stable Iraq.  Of course, Turkey, with its own Kurdish population, is also a player in the area and could be adversely affected by a total implosion of Iraq.  Even Saudi Arabia could have problems with its more fundamentalist Shia population.  It could be in everyone's self interest to achieve some stability in Iraq.  Engaging them may give them an opportunity to gain the stability they need.
Of course, Syria and Iran should not be "rewarded" for anything. But, they can be encouraged through to make changes without offering up Isreal as a sacrificial lamb. This is known as displomacy. It is the president's "job". The Bush administration's policy of trying to freeze out countries like Iran and North Korea has been a blatant failure. The administration's justifications for avoiding it are nothing less than immature.


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