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Libby jury selection: Bad day for elite schools, journalist reaches 2nd round

Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:48 PM by Hardball

 This is day #2 of jury selection, and it has become another bad day for a few of America’s elite universities.  This morning, a young woman with degrees from Swarthmore and Emory University said she had no opinion about the Bush Administration’s case for war with Iraq.  She also said she never watches the news or reads the paper, and said she would consider Vice President Cheney “a perfect stranger.”  Yesterday, a potential juror with two degrees from Northwestern, including one in journalism, said she thought she knew something about the CIA leak case but “couldn’t recall anything.”  When asked about the types of stories she covered as a graduate school journalist, that woman repeatedly said, “I don’t really remember...just stuff at the court, stuff at the city council.”  Asked what else?  She said, “Other stuff.”  Asked to be more specific, she said “I don’t remember.  It was a bunch of stuff.”  This exchange prompted endless teasing of one of my journalism colleagues covering the trial who is a Northwestern graduate.  “Stuff happens,” noted one of the other reporters here.


Judge Walton had a funny instruction this morning to the Swarthmore/Emory graduate who has made it into the next round.  “Continue to not listen to the news or read the paper,” said Judge Walton. The next prospective juror, a database administration, answered affirmatively to the question of whether he “knew” any of the attorneys in the case.  He said he “knew” prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald from a news conference Fitzgerald held 15 months ago on the day Scooter Libby was indicted.  The prospective juror said he didn’t mean to imply he “knew Fitzgerald personally.”  Upon further questions by the judge, this man said his wife works in the criminal division at the justice department and added that a friend of theirs is a federal prosecutor in D.C.  During questioning by the defense, Libby’s attorney asked the man, “Do you know any defense lawyers?”  The man paused and said, “Uuhhhh, no.”  However, he said he would be able to decide the Libby case fairly and based solely on the evidence presented in court.  So, he made it to the next round as well.


Just a few moments ago, the 12th prospective juror to be questioned on the witness stand noted that she had read a Washington Post article on Monday previewing the Libby trial after the woman learned she would be a possible juror in the case.  Asked by the judge, “You read the specific article?”  The 60ish woman said, “Absolutely.”  When the judge asked the woman if she had “any opinions” about the Bush administration that might affect her ability to focus solely on the evidence and statements made in court, the woman replied:  “I certainly have an opinion that I can’t believe any statement by the Bush administration.”  The judge immediately asked attorneys to approach the bench, flipped on an audio switch so nobody, including the prospective juror, could hear the conversation above the electronic static.  About ten seconds later, the judge flipped his microphone on and said to the woman, “I appreciate your candor, but we will have to excuse you.”


Going into the questioning of the 13th prospective juror in this process, eight people had been approved for the next round... four had been “excused.”  Once the judge gets to 36 for the next round, there will be enough to survive the number of strikes allowed by the defense and prosecution and still have 12 jurors and 4 alternates left for the trial.


The 13th prospective juror to be questioned has emerged as the most well connected to top figures in this case.  For three years in the 1980’s, this man said he worked as a reporter at the Washington Post for Bob Woodward.  Until six months ago, the man was a neighbor of Tim Russert and “shared an alley” with the host of Meet the Press.  The man went to grade school with Maureen Dowd.  He is “friendly” with Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus, who wrote about the administration’s false case for war in the spring of 2003.  Attorneys spent more than a half hour questioning this man about whether he could put these connections aside and judge the case “fairly” and solely based on evidence presented at trial.  He stated repeatedly that as a journalist by training, he is all about “getting things right” and being “accurate” in evaluating witnesses.  He noted that he is a referee at his son’s basketball games and calls the games down the middle without bias or preference to either side.  Asked repeatedly about Woodward, the man said “he’s written books about Iraq, one contradicted the other.  Obviously he got some things wrong.”  The man added, “When I worked for Woodward, he constantly drilled in our heads not believe anything anybody says until you get the facts.”  Asked about knowing Tim Russert, the man said “Tim Russert is not going to tell lies intentionally.  But I believe that about most people.”  The man prompted widespread laughter when he was asked if he had ever been arrested.  The man said he had been arrested in 1971 at a May Day parade/protest.  He said he had “no bad feelings” about how he was treated in that episode, “except when the guy next to me took my food.”  Towards the end of his questioning, the man was asked about what he has been doing in recent years since working as a reporter.  He casually noted he wrote a novel about “spying.”  Libby’s lawyer said, “Tell me about the spying book.”  The man described the “good, the bad, and the ugly” of CIA spying in Guatemala.  It quickly became clear that he had no “strong opinions” one way or the other about the CIA.  At the end of the lengthy questioning, the judge had the man step away from the bench while the lawyers briefly discussed whether they would “move for cause” to have him excused.  Neither side made the request.  So the journalist made it to the second round.


Both the prosecution and defense teams have body language experts who are analyzing the way prospective jurors answer questions in court.  These experts will help each side “rank” the jurors who made it into the second round in terms of favorable/unfavorable.  Then, the defense and prosecution will be able to get rid of jurors on their “unfavorable” list through what are known as “preemptory challenges.”  I won’t bore you with details about what “qualifies” as a “peremptory” challenge.  But, the defense gets 12 peremptory strikes and the prosecution has eight.

 

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I think its easier to believe than he makes it sound, that educated people have no idea what going on in the world, I mean, Morons make up the majority, and vote based on good looks, charisma, and religion. So what do the wise have to say about the course of the world, being in such a small minority. Why bother? why stress?
Funny story but true... it is the state of America where people do not pay attention regardless of their level of education, and in my belief it is the reason why people vote against their own interests.
There is no way Libby will receive a fair and impartial trial in that district. I'm happy I live in Michigan
Either the woman with the graduate degree in journalism from Northwestern is a liar or Medill is turning out some incurious reporters these days.
I find it incredible that university graduates would state that they never read the newspapers, watch TV news and that the vice president is a perfect stranger. I have a associates degree and strive to read, listen, watch, any and all comments by administration officials, news correspondents and opposition party members. The lies of those "educated universitarians" are so obviously childish that they make me wonder about their intelligence, not to say their commitment to the truth.
I believe some of the students attending elite schools are not in tune with what is happening around them and in the world. This is similar to the disconnect we see among the DC politicians. Once the disconnect takes over, accountablitiy takes a back seat and feel that they are omnipotent. A sad state of affairs indeed!
I think it is easy to believe that the "educated people" are lying just to get a piece of the Libby trial pie. Or is it just the morons who read and care about our country?
It seems a lot like people are covering up their knowledge to be in such a high-profile case. As bad as it sounds, it looks to be unavoidable - especially in today's world. Yeah, I'd call that a problem.
As a an American Citizen I can't believe the answers of the Swarthmore and Emory graduate. believe they were coloring the truth in order to be chosen as jurors
I can't believe the potential juror from Northwestern couldn't remember anything she had reported on as a journalism student. Nothing? Nothing at all? I took journalism classes over 30 years ago and I remember at least one story I reported on. It was about the economic death of a small town in central Michigan. Will she pay enough attention during the trial to make an informed decision in the case? Or will she deadlock the jury?
Are there no " just plain folks " from which to select a jury ?
IT IS STUDENTS LIKE THESE WHY WE ARE IN THE MESS WE ARE IN, IN IRAQ. IF THEY VOTED, THEY MAY NOT EVEN BE SURE WHO THEY VOTED FOR.DO'NT YOU SEE WHO IS IN THE WHITEHOUSE, HE IS A YALE GRADUATED, MAKING MUCK OF THE WORLD. IF YOU HAD ASKED THE QUESTION HOW IS SADDAM, YOU PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD, "HE IS US SENATOR" EDUCATED DUM-DUM
I find it interesting that the link to this article stated "Bad day for elite shcools", and that you identify a potential juror as "a database administration". A bit hypocritical, no?
It was an especially bad day for elite schools the other day when Condoleeza Rice said, "It's bad policy to speculate on what you'll do if a plan fails when you're trying to make a plan work". I decided on the spot, that if this is the kind of brainless thinking that someone from Stanford learns, I am not going to encourage my kids to go there. If a Stanford grad believes that being a leader means you don't make contingency plans, then I might as well send my kids to Community College where they might get some common sense.
So.. did the Northwestern grad think that the lead prosecuter was the coach of the NU football team too?
Dave, I've just loved your unbiased and indepth reporting on this case and am glad to see you blogging the whole trial. Keep up the great work. I look forward to seeing your reports on Hardball and Olbermann. And, might I just add, boy are you right about the quality of the elite university graduates in this jury selection. Wow. I'm stunned.
As a Northwestern graduate with two journalism degrees, I am embarrassed by my fellow alum's comments. I remember the stories I covered in graduate school--and as an undergraduate--and I got my BSJ way back in 1961 and my MSJ in 1962.
A journalist that doesn't know current events. Sounds awful fishy. From what I read in the report I would say someones got to the potential jurist.
Why do the producers of "Hardball with Chris Matthews" continue to label the Scooter Libby trial, "the CIA leak" trial, or the"Libby Leak" trial? The trial is whether he perjured himself in front of Pat Fitzgerald, not whether he leaked sensitive, state secrets. The special prosecutor found no evidence to indict him on that charge. Start calling it what it is, not what you want it to be.
Hello! Who's the stupid one? Of course they're lying so they can be on the jury.
Every juror or potential juror in the story is a liberal or a closet liberal hoping to seed the jury. It's patently absurd that these folks don't know what's going on with this case. Partisan judicial activism at it's very roots going on here. Libby is toast.
I don't blame the elite universities. Kids are not being educated properly at the primary and secondary level. If you haven't learned to read and write properly, and have not developed a sense of curiosity, by the time you start college it's too late.
I think what we are overlooking here is the fact that all of these "elite" graduates have obtained a social training and opportunism during their college expeience that remains today. The fact of what they know isn't material; the real issue is that they can clearly see the interest in this case. The spectacle surrounding their entrance to the courthouse would surely establish that. Now the prospective jurors have to choose for themselves whether they want to be a part of this or not, and structure their answers accordingly. For some, the elite "opportunism gene" may kick in and the search for book, movie, and tv interview riches takes hold. I'm glad I chose Indiana University. Go Big Red!!
Does this really matter in the broader perspective of the Bush administration ? Our fore fathers are turning in their graves . He has ravaged the constitution and made the US the most despised nation on earth . If Saddam was a war criminal "Little George" must be some sort of , silver spoon in his mouth , alien sub species .
Condoleezza didn't attend Stanford. She graduated from the U. of Denver and Notre Dame. And I think Miss Northwestern was lying about what she knew. Getting on this jury and writing a book about her experiences could easily make her career.
What a refreshing account of a jury selection. Ignorance, cleverness, conivingness, humor, honesty, and Americana, all rolled into one.
Poor Libby is just the tip of the biggest con job ever pulled on the American people. If all the deception and obfuscation of the facts can be uncovered even truly naive people will have to open thier eyes.
To avoid it having been a bad day for elite schools, it may have been made quite simple by asking potential jurors: "What does the 'N' on the Nebraska football helmets stand for?" --Answer: "kNowledge"
Great job covering the trial so far, David. You make jury selection sound more interesting than it really is! I have to agree with the other commenters who think some of the prospective jurors are lying so they can get their 15 minutes of fame. There is no way that out of a randomly selected group of people in DC, this many don't know anything about the Libby case.
Bring in the derelicts, homeless, drifters, etc and I will believe them when they say they nothing about the case.
#1 The fact that lawyers have any contact with jurors before a trial and that those lawyers have a say on who is a juror IS STACKING THE DECK. It is the first contamination of the actual truth. A third party should select jurors with NO ties to the case. The first time a juror see a defense lawyer or prosecutor should be in the courtroom. Someone need to rip those blinders off the lady justice so she can see! It is time for a Justinian-esque transformation of a system that is currently that caters to rich white affluent citizens who can buy their freedom. It is revolting to see freedom as a commodity. It further more sickening to see how those without money are subsequently treated as sub-human numbered beings that become tangled in a web that will lead them to a prison where they will be further demoralized and criminal behavior will be fine tuned. In the case of Libby…. There will be no justice carried out for this man. He will scheme, lie, and pay as much as it takes to make this dog and pony show so drag on until the public has lost it’s appetite. Most likely the absent minded journalism graduate is an opportunist scumbag hoping to ride on Libby’s coattails. I would never be a juror on any case, I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS VERY MUCH JUSTICE IN AMERICA ANYMORE… ESPECAILLY IN THE FEDERAL SYSTEM. SHAM SHAM SHAM! The present system and adminastration are Nero-esque blood sucking vultures. And Libby Bush will more than likely go free... thanks to the most evil of them all, the VICE- pres.
It is unfortunate that the graduates of elite schools seem to be disinterested in everything about US government and politics. It is ironic that many naturalized citizens take test in the same areas at the time of citizenship. Most people in US have very little knowledge of the world, may be the elite school graduates with such ignorance are teaching generations of american citizens.
I'm sad to say that I'm not surprised by the lack of interest shown by the university graduates. I wouldn't have believed it, though, if I didn't personally work with a woman in her late 20's who graduated from a Top 25 university with honors. She thought that there were 19 men aboard each 9/11 airplane who used guns, still thinks that Saddam was involved in 9/11, and does not know who John Edwards is, even though she voted in the presidential election in 2004. This is one reason that our country is in its current state. What's even worse is that our priority on standardized testing in elementary and secondary public schools will further erode the development of intellectual curiousity in the students who are the future of our county.
The founders of the United States of America wanted the people of our country to be able to make informed decisions about matters of interest to all of us. In order to make these decisions, people have both the right and the responsibility to educate themselves about important issues, from truthful and dependable sources. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and all the other courageous people who founded our country never meant for important decisions to be made by people who didn't know anything about the issues involved. They knew it is clearly possible to be a completely impartial juror, reaching a verdict based solely on eveidence presented in a court of law, while still being a well-informed citizen. They would be appalled to see the judicial process "dumbed down" to select only jurors who have no interest in current affairs, and who don't read or pay attention to matters vital to our country's interests. Mr. Libby deserves a fair trial, from a well-informed, impartial jury careful to consider only the evidence presented in court; this takes intelligence on the part of the jurors. Intelligent people keep themselves well-informed; this should not disqualify them from serving on a jury.
The jury selction process has become as important as the actual presentation of evidence in determining the outcome of a trial. I feel this is wrong, and believe the potential jurors should be questioned by the judge, not the lawyers, and only disqualified if they have a direct personal connection to the case or one similar to it.
I am glad to have reached the age where money,sex,and the things of this world are no longer important.I just try to get out of the rain find my next can of beans and enjoy the golden years.No need to find yellow cake,black gold, hang a politican,or take a trip at the tax payers expense.It's good to old and dumb and not worry if someone saw who I was in bed with last night. Life could not be better. Why worry about a Muslim jihad !!
Washington D.C. is 70% Black, and yet there are only a couple of jurist candidates of that ethnicity. I guess the person in charge of the jury pool wanted to get well educated anglos, right?
It's obvious these most of these "educated" prospective jurors want to be the judges of the facts. Watch out defense attorneys! Try to get additional preremptory challenges and wipe them all out.
Joanne from Corona has it perfectly correct! At 48 I'm changing careers and have taken many courses in college recently. It has been my experience with the younger crowd that has made me realize how unprepared they are before.....and after college. The Northwestern graduate doesn't surprise me at all since if you asked most college students to name our highest politicians and their job title most of them couldn't even come close to getting it right. Tell them it will be on a quiz and they might temporarily memorize the facts to pass and then purge the new knowledge a few days later. Education has been ruined due to the lack of deep understanding (not just memorization). Our kids are taught to "punch a ticket" rather than actually learn something. The majority of teachers we have today are a product of "ticket punching" mentality which makes it certain that we will see more and more "educated" citizens that know very little or nothing.
Every juror or potential juror in the story is a conservative or closet conservative hoping to seed the jury. Its patently absurd that these folks don't know what is going on with this case. Partisan judicial activism at its very roots going on here. Libby will walk.
Libby will walk either way. You have to know that King George will grant Libby a PARDON if they attempt to see JUSTICE done.
Why are we making so much to do about the Libby trial. Could it be because he worked for VP Cheney and some would do anything to bash the Bush administration? We know he did not leak the name of Valerie Phame and is not charged with that anyway. So he lied (supposely) to a grand jury, so what. Is it worth millions in tax payers dollars to say "we got you." Where was all your coverage about Sandy Berger stealing classified documents and destroying them, to cover up for Bill Clinton? Oh, those were democrats so it was ok.
When jury trials were provided in the past, was there ever a mention or intention of the framers of that legislation to have "experts in body language" attend and make notes of possible hidden agendas?? I guess old western style justice where you dropped the names in a hat and they were chosen by lottery didn't provide us a jury of "peers", or did they mean your intelligence had to be equal to the accused??? All the justice you can buy seems to be the modern trend.


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