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Surge in Iraq - Treat the disease, not the symptoms

Posted: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:26 PM by Hardball

By Lt. Col. Rick Francona

The troops deploying to Baghdad are tasked with suppressing the escalating sectarian violence in ethnically mixed areas of the city.  Ever since the destruction of a Shia holy site in Samarra by forces of now-dead al-Qaeda-in-Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, there has been an ethnic cleansing campaign against Sunnis in neighborhoods previously home to both Sunnis and Shiites.  The violence has been especially bad on the east bank of the Tigris River, an area rapidly becoming almost exclusively Shia.  With the additional U.S. forces and the new directions from the recently appointed American commander Gen. Dave Petraeus, these troops will remain in the neighborhoods after they have cleared them, rather than returning to their garrisons.  In the past, soon after neighborhoods or cities were cleared and American forces departed, the insurgents or militias returned and reclaimed the territory.

The mission does not include entering Sadr City, home to two million Shia and stronghold of the militia of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, thus they will treat the symptom, not the disease.  The disease, if you will, is the militia of Muqtada al-Sadr and its death squads; the symptom is the continuing sectarian violence in the mixed neighborhoods of Baghdad.  Clearing and holding Sadr City would eliminate the disease, causing the symptoms to disappear. 

That said, things might be changing, and none too soon.  The recent arrest of senior al-Sadr aide Abd al-Hadi al-Darraji indicates a willingness of the American command to confront the al-Sadr militia.  Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has promised that he will move against all militias in Iraq.  It is not a coincidence that al-Sadr just now announced that his organization (he controls 30 seats in the national assembly) is terminating its boycott of participation in the Iraqi government called after al-Maliki’s meeting with President Bush in Jordan last November.  Al-Sadr’s recent instructions for his militia to maintain a lower profile also indicate his concern that he cannot continue to defy the Iraqi government.

However, the violence will continue until the al-Sadr militia is disbanded or destroyed, and as long as Sadr City remains outside the control of American and Iraqi troops.
 

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Surge suppression works in electricity by protecting computers, TVs and other sensitive devices and in plumbing by absorbing water hammer and stopping water line breaks. Basic physics suggests that the primary forces usually cannot be irradicated, only absorbed and managed. If the metaphor is valid, then the first step is accepting that the forces are ever-present and will always have an equal and opposite reaction. Inertia can't be irradicated, only mitigated and managed. This scientific explanation has been used for decades, if not centuries, to describe philosophical and political difficulties. Common sense should rule: look things in the face and know them for what they are; have a plan; work the plan; adjust the plan when needed.
They are all worried because they think President Bush is taking the gloves off finally, and is ready to play hardball. They know that the president's standing with the American people is extremely low, and that he is going against general opinion. With him placing more troops in Iraq, against all advise. The message they are getting is, this president is not afraid to act and they better respect it... Because this President is not going to back down. Dan
I don't think Americans have bothered to stop and think how sick they're going to feel if they turn on the news and see jihadists dancing in the streets of Iraq stomping and burning american flags while cheers of victory over the U.S. echo,even if you dont agree with reasoning behind the war or the administrations handling of it up until now you have to realize the consequenses of leaving now.I beleive we will move on Sadr City in the very near future our commanders must realize this by now however we'll probably have to go at it alone since we can't take the chance of the Iraqi army leaking info on the attack to the Mahdi Army we also cant take the chance of the media finding out ahead of time and announcing it to the world.Leaving is not an option we have to prove to the people of Iraq,the insurgents, Iran and the rest of the world that we cant be beaten that easily if we dont we will lose the military respect that keeps the rest of the world in check.
i say forget what u.s. wants in irac.let irac and neighboring countries have a summet for all intrested countries.irac must ask for help to stop courent conditions.u.s. is invader so wrong person to depend on.neighboring countries all have a stake in this and would like the violence to end.best chance for peace is talk not a club.
It would be another in a long line of mistakes to blame the Mahdi army for all of the sectarian violence and thus conclude that eliminating this militia would solve the problem. It is clearly not that simple. Certainly controlling or managing Muqtada Al-Sadr's forces is a worthy goal, but getting his participation and cooperation in the Iraqi government will have a more lasting effect. He is a hero to millions of disaffected Shiites who were being ravaged by the former Sunni government and then by Sunni insurgents. That hatred is not going to subside easily. Economic realties along with the daily hardship of life in a war zone are weakening moderates and hardening extremists. The roots of the disease are too complex to say that the al-Sadr Militia is the cause. It is only one more symptom that must be managed to save the patient.
I agree "treat the disease not the symptom". But, this applies to our President G.W. Bush. HE IS THE DISEASE !! Until we treat him, the symptoms of perpetual war, death, homelessness and financial malaise will lead us to a slow unwinding of our financial structure, society and overall well being. The republicans need to step up to the plate and initiate Impeachment proceedings. The Republicans need to do it to show bipartisanship.
I have no faith in the decisions of Bush or any of his cronies. How many more will pay the price for their lies?
Before the Iraq war started I remember reading and opinion piece predicting the outcome of the war. I wish I had saved it because up to now it has been dead on. It basically stated the US would quickly win the initial army to army military engagement at which point the country would descend into guerrilla warfare and racial and religious violence. Eventually we would loose for no other reason than we will have to pull out the majority of our troops at some point, where as the Iraqis have no place else to go. In my view changing tactics may give us some minor victories and delay the inevitable but it won’t change the outcome. Our enemies will adapt their tactics to ours and Iraq will continue to descend into chaos until we finally get sick of it and pull out. After that we can expect the Iraqi’s to settle things one way or another.
Your comment seems to me to state the blindingly obvious. What I do not understand is that our "government"; most notably Messrs. Bush & Cheney cannot or will not see it.
Until the same type of warfare is utilized on the insurgents (killing a select group and then unleashing massive attack when supporters gather as usual for the media)the problem will continue. There can be no "off limits" for anyone involved.
If we intend to remain in neighborhoods with hostile local population you can expect our casualties to soar. If Americans are not willing to accept a significant increase in casualties -killed and wounded that will inevitably result from directly confronting armed opponents on their home grounds, we should not embark on this strategy.
It should be made clear that we have no long term goal of staying and occupying the region. We should force the current Iraq leadership to take more of the responsibility for their own security. As for the radical cleric, their government should stop protecting him and hold him responsible for the actions of his followers.
While it's true that we need to treat the disease, not the symptoms, that's easier said than done. People seem to forget that the source of all this in-fighting dates back to biblical times. It's a theological dispute that hasn't changed since those ancient times and if one slacker rich kid thinks he has the power to stop it, he's dead wrong. This conflict will continue to rage until either the shia or sunnis have been completely exterminated. Even if the Mahdi army fell, even if Al-Sadr gave up his crusade, someone else would just step up to take their place, probably someone even more vicious. This war was lost before it began. Our continued presence in Iraq is nothing more than an attempt to save face, to try and regain the respect of the rest of the world, and shield our own precious egos. America as a whole needs to wake up and realize that we lost. It's over. We can't stay in Iraq forever and as soon as we leave, the nation will be engulfed completely in civil war.
If Bush wants to send more troops then he should voice a clear and sincere message by letting his daughters lead those troops in their deployment. Maybe then he will get some idea about what the hell he is doing.
Stupid is as stupid does! Expecting to obtain a democratic country by military means to overcome a tribal tradition in place longer than the occupation by ALEXANDER THE GREAT bespeaks of a president so blind to anything that this man can be talked into becoming and Amway salesman while still president. It is a total ruse that the Project for a New American Century really thinks that Iraq is so strategically significant that decades of occupation will be required to submit the Iraqis to an attritional war of philosophies. And Bush has signed onto this beleaguered concept. the man probably would buy a bridge in Manhattan. Of course, the real stupid people are those that will allow Bush to pull the rug out from beneath them as the cost of this conflict will be the loss of entitlements, dignity, and lowered standard of living which W. is using to prolong his legacy. Bush is the conman running a monte carlo scheme buying in the super-patriots in a scam that only hirts average Americans. Stupis is as stupid does!
I wonder is the public aware that Naval Officiers are being transfered out of the navy into the us army with little training as ground troops? This is a failed tactic and will cause more deaths because of lack of ground warfare training for " street" combat.
Amen to David Hackathorn, Geoffrey Thornton, Erik Janikowski, and Lianne O'Brien. Since we can assume with high certainty that our leaders are intelligent people (unfortunately, people are intelligent in different ways, over different things and for different purposes), it would be fair to say that they are aware of the obvious as most of us are. Therefore, their actions must be based on motivation which they predict or hope would not be obvious to most people. Here is an interesting analogous piece of news in msnbc today : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11497294/from/RS.1/
Syrians, Iranians, Iranian made weapons, militias, all this isn't important. The problem is they don't want us there. No number of troops is going to solve anything. We have to leave and let them sort things out.
Just for the record...the sectarian violence started well before the attack on the Golden Dome in Samarra. That attack did escalate tensions,but to cite that incident as the cause is a furtherance of Bush's revisionist history
No matter what we "Clear and Hold", time remains on the side of the insurgents. George Washington used this against the British in running a classic guerrilla insurgency. Never face a superior enemy on the battlefield unless forced to or unless you are luring them into a trap. Bleed him slowly. Conserve and protect your forces. Use them to inflict maximum damage with minimum cost. Eventually, the invader will leave. It may take 5 years, it may take 50, it may take 100 but eventually the invader will leave. The British, at that time the worlds superpower, were defeated by a Washington’s ragtag, poorly equipped, but highly motivated army. The French, ever practical, didn’t join us until the tide had turned against the British. Ho Chi Minh and Vo Nguyen Giap managed to succeed against the Japanese, the French and finally the U.S. using these tactics. If I were to wake tomorrow morning and find that the streets of my country were filled with heavily armed foreign men and that these men were kicking the doors of my neighbors and attempting to "liberate me” I would become a blood drinking, flesh eating monster determined to inflict pain, extract revenge, and drive out the invader no matter what the cost or no matter how long it takes. The various insurgent groups in Iraq know this and feel it. They appear to have a greater grasp on the history of such conflicts then our bewildered President. Lt Col. Rick Francona states that the violence will continue until the al-Sadr militia is disbanded or destroyed. I assert that it will continue as long as Iraq remains occupied by a foreign power. There is an endless supply of new insurgents and “terrorists”. We make them everyday over there when collateral damage occurs. We make them every day when an Iraqi teenager sees his father humiliated in front of his mother and sisters by Marines who just kicked his door. The only way to run a successful occupation is to dig big ditches and start marching Iraqis into them and then lock and load. The sad thing is that there are some of you reading this that think that might be a good idea. It is a damn shame that our Commander-in-Chief didn’t have the casual knowledge of recent US history and even the smallest insight into human nature needed to figure this out before he marched us into another quagmire. We are Red, White and Screwed.(apologies to Lewis Black)
The "disease" my friends, is a failed American foreign policy, that relies on military aggression (not to mention arrogance and lies) to accomplish its ends, and, more specifically, the decision to go into Iraq. That is the disease. The cure? To manage the symptoms, phased redeployment, and to launch an all out "diplomatic war," in its place. We must get to the table.
The Disease is not President Bush! This disease as any other started long ago when it was allowed to strenghten over time due to the complacent non-action of the Clinton Administration! Now that the problem needs to be treated, it will never be an easy task ever again. No one realizes that the hatred and aggression will never go away ever not through useless talks or treaties! This is truley WWIII and will be fought for YEARS! If Americans lose the appetite for conflict in the Middle East please understand that the conflict will be force fed to us here on American Soil. Has anyone forgotten that these cowards attacked us on 9/11? Here in the US. For no real reason other than the fact that these cowards want everyone! And I do mean EVERYONE that does not follow their beliefs. Like it or not this conflict is here to stay.
Read my lips “no new taxes”! No, wait that was the older bush and we got new taxes. “We will prevail in Iraq” says the younger Bush. So you put two and two together this will be a futile mission of death, destruction and ultimate chaos with no end in sight. No wait, that is what it is now! Give me a break the American people are being fed a load of Iraqi bush-crap!
You know... all of these comments are welcomed and I read each of them with an open mind. the very people writing in to these sites need to first and mostly understand that they only have this right and freedom to write in because of the efforts of our military throughout the history of the U.S. I am a 43 yr old male in Oregon, I served in the Army for 7 years back in the 80's and was honorably discharged just before the first gulf war; I am currently talking with a recruiter to re-enlist and on top of that am requesting to be deployed to Iraq..I love the freedoms we have in the U.S. and even tho' I dont agree with all this "President Bashing" and anti-war crap...it is the right of all Americans to display their views. There simply is never a straight-cut way for war...you take victories and losses and you do what the commanders feel is the best for each individual circumstance. I just wish the American people who are against our present efforts in Iraq could or would take the efforts to ask each military person and family, what they think!!! I know with no-doubt at all that 99% of those questioned would aggree with all of what is going on. especially the families of those already lost in this campaign. NO MILITARY FAMILY WANTS THEIR LOVED ONES LIFE TO BE GIVEN FOR THE DISGRACE OF THOSE OUTSPOKEN NON-SERVING PEOPLE WHO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO BE MOUTHY.!!!
this is just one more of the bush administrations dumb tricks..he don't kmow what he is doing and should be sent to iraq to do what he is making our sons and daughters do...
I think the article misses the point entirely. Before we talk about tactics, we should decide to win the war and I mean the way wars are won; kill or be killed. General George Patton had it right, the duty of a soldier is to get the other side to die for their cause. If a few hundred Iraqis die to show that killing American soldiers is a bad idea, let the war begin. Our soldiers are sitting ducks until we get a decent general in charge, one who understands that politics and war are mutually exclusive.
the surge as it is called, is a replacement for the countries that have pulled thier troops out of a civil war in Iraq, the next president of the U.S. will have to do the same.
What are we doing and when are we going to wise up. I am a 70 year old, no military experience, but life experiences tell me that we are slowly going down a sink hole with this Administration and their flawed policies.
For quite a while we've been fighting the Sunni insurgents in Iraq, who have large support from the Sunnis of Iraq, as well as the previously non-existent Al Qaeda in Iraq, who are also Sunnis. NOW we're going to be fighting the Mahdi Army which is Shiite, and of course, they have wide support among the Shiite. This will mean that we will be fighting BOTH sides of the Iraqi, civil war, a tactic sure to engender hatred from both Sunnis and Shiites. All we need to do is to start attacking the Kurds and we fighting all the possible sides in Iraq, in our efforts to build a friendlier Iraq than existed under Saddam Hussein. Yeah, right.
To Charlie, Novi, Michigan: "Has anyone forgotten that these cowards attacked us on 9/11? Here in the US. For no real reason other than the fact that these cowards want everyone! And I do mean EVERYONE that does not follow their beliefs. Like it or not this conflict is here to stay. First of all the Iraqi insurgents never attacked us. And, as Bin Laden has said many times, Al Queda attacked the United States because it had been on what they considered the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia for a decade and obviously had no intention of ever leaving. If we insist on remaining in Iraq, we will be subject to attacks until we no longer have a physical presence in the Middle East. It's that simple.
this country is profoundly distracted by iraq, missing the big picture of a country who's highway infrastrucure is collapsing under the weight of excessive trucking and importation of overseases goods. china has taken their export largesse that we gave them by building satellite killing rockets. our rail system is an antique, largely built during the 19th century, poorly suited to a 21st century world. iraq is an ancient land, where tribalism is the norm, and is best left for the next strongman to control it. we need to focus on our country and its people, not iraq. if attacked again, b-2 bombers with tactical nukes and submarines should bomb selected targets of the middle east, with the understanding that more will follow should we be attacked again. the world is not ready for the 'new world order', and that is not cnn talking, but the facts speak for themselves.
We continue to make the same mistake. Looking for individual boogeyman to 'kill', first, Saddam, then Zarqawi, then Sadr, etc.. When will we get it through our thick heads, that people don't like to get invaded and occupied. As long as we're there hell will reign. We have to leave and let them sort it out. All we're doing is stoking the flames of hatred between the different sects and tribes.
I hope President Bush prevails in this war in Iraq then maybe the people of the United States will move on to defending our future Presidents instead of blasting their goals. This blasting will never change unless we change our ways of thinking. Give me died yesterday!
A futile administration, a war that will go on for years. Stop trying to be diplomaticaly correct in WAR. War is war - go in and take them all out.Support our troops until they come home and slap yourselves for voting him in - I knew he was a liar just because of who his father is. I didn't vote for either of them.
we ask for it we did it blame first blood MR bush not the Iraqi people this is BUSH war not the American people we are good loving people.MR Bush and friends who profit big from this war in the eyes of the world what a great mistake and big price to pay for decade to come
Lets face it Bush has been doing for the most part just what Cheney tells him to do, and I believe this tough no change poiicy is and has been directed by Chenney.We all know what the disease is, Sadr city is the home base for most of the insurgency, wipe it off the map and things will settle down, people will see that someone means buisness.Malaki is noting but a Bush pawn, Iraq needs a leader who will address the real problems in that country.Our troops are not needed to train Iraqi's or anyone else, these people have been fighting and killing each other for centuries, and little old ladies waving "red fingers" is not going to change history.We need to at once tell the Iraqi government to get out there and do thier job, and take the responsibility for thier own country.Iraq and the whole middle east isn't worth the lives of 3000plus brave American men and women,who are being forced to fight with one hand tied behind thier back just lke Viet nahm. Give the troops what they need by all means, but chop off all the money going to the Iraq government, they have enough oil to finance thhier own mess.
Bush main purpose of this war was a reason to get the oil and have security for the zionist state. As a Evangelical, the new testment says the purpose of the Zionist State must prevail in the Middle East. Bush and his buddies seek out 9-11 with giving the public a reason to enter war.
There is no solution to religious based sectarian violence. If we are going to commit American troops to Iraq, let them prevent infiltration of foreign fighters and materiel in the crountryside, where they can operate freely in free-fire zones. Let Iraqis solve the problem of living together in their cities.
Colonel, I appreciate your insights and defer to your service and knowledge, but the majority of today's bombings were the result of Sunni insurgents, not the encircled Mahdi Army. Bush is sending 17,500 troops to deal ostensibly with the Mahdi Army, which has for the moment stood down while their political leaders have reentered the political process, thanks in large part to the surge. Yet Bush is sending only 4,000 troops into the al-Anbar province to tackle the Sunni insurgency and Al Qaeda in Iraq, a glaring deficit of resources that the military has told the White House about for two years now. You tell us today that if the Americans destroy the Mahdi Army, we will be treating "the disease", as if we solely should do that without Iraqis taking the lead and without us finally dealing with the al-Anbar province and Al Qaeda. Do you really believe this? Even though al-Sadr is a nationalist and not a supporter of Iran, how long do you think Iran would sit on the sidelines and watch the Americans go into Sadr City and attack Shiites while giving short shrift to dealing with the Sunnis insurgency and Al Qaeda?
Hello Mr. Francona your article is a beautiful one and I hope the executive government branch reads it. I had been writing about that militia for months. Al-Sadar has gotten so powerful that politically is going to take more than just policy. Is going to take the arrest of all those 30 politicians that walked out from the National Assembly. The cancer is with in and it must be irradiated. I do not doubt all 30 people that boycotted the National Assembly are BLOOD STAIN Islamic extremist.. If Al-Maliki honestly is decided to do something good for Iraq he has to take fast strides. Maliki's time is up and we Americans are tire of his game 21,000 soldiers are going to have to do what his incompetent troops cannot do. We Americans are truly tired of dealing with Maliki and the radicals and Baghdad must be cleaned up!!! DON'T TREAT THE SYMPTOMS, IRRADICATE THE CANCER!!!! For the sake of all the honest, hard working Iraqi citizens. Mr. Bush better do it right this time what he should have done a long time ago.
Someone tell Chris he had it right the first time: "Join Keith Olbermman and ME," not "I" as he's been saying.
The whole surge concept is ridiculous as is our involvement in Iraq.Why would any Iraqi pledge loyalty to a so called national government when the army and police are the death squads?If you want to see US casualties soar wait until they get embedded with iraqi troops and get shot in the back. Eexcept for the elections the people have not shown any inclination to want to live together as one nation.It has nothing to do with democracy.The Kurds have nothing in common with the shia and sunni.Why are we tring to amalgam them into one nation and then proclaim the middle east cannot sustain a democracy?If you had a seperate KURDIsH state it very well might be a democracy. We have given the people of Iraq the opportunity to determine their future as a country and they have decided what they want.They dont want to live together.Its not the worst thing in the world.After all it is not like they were unified under Hussein.All that will happen when we leave is the defacto partition of Iraq with spheres of influence held by Iran,Saudi Arabia-Egypt.In todya's world no one will allow Iran to make all of Iraq its proxy.The goal of the US should be to move safely all of the Shia into the south;all of the sunnis into the middle ;and all of the Kurds into the North.Then get Saudi and egyptian troops to protect the Sunni areas. The issue is not whether it will lead to a regional conflagration.At some point iran and its Sunni neighbors are either going to war or working out a regional accomodation.THE real threat of the Iran nuclear bomb is not to the US or ISRAEL but to the leverage it gives Iran over its arab neighbors.A war right now between them would be the best thing that could happen to the US.It would preoccupy and weaken Iran causing it to strike deals with the US that it is presently not willing to do.It would also create a rift between Sunni Arab Syria and Shia Persian Iran which would have the consequence of allowing Lebanon a better opportunity to deal with Hezbolla while its backer IRAN IS PREOCCUPIED ELSEWHERE. While peace is devoutly to be desired,sometimes war is the instrumentality of obtaining it.With all of the trouble spots in the middle east,does anyone seriously believe any longer that there will be peace through rational dialogue and negotiation?
Look people!!! If we fail in Iraq, which Bush is already heading in that direction we will see our cities laid out into parking lots in the future. We are not fighting Iraqis we are fighting an ideology fuel by the Iranians. Iranians will Demo to the world their nuclear capabilities with Israel. Don’t think for a second the Islamic radicals will not cross the vast ocean that separates us! A lot of you may not live to see this catastrophe waiting to happen but the groundwork is being laid out as we speak. The groundwork the Iranians are doing everything possible to prevent us from stabilizing Iraq with death squads, the groundwork Iranians are funding and fueling the militias inside Iraq, the groundwork by killing our soldiers with improvised explosive devices. Iranians a Shiite society that is composed of radical tribal heroes and martyrs, the Islamic fire that will not stop the ruthless conquest of ideology, something beyond westerners understanding.
Question for my liberal friends: Do you even want to win the war? Not whether you think it's possible or not, but do you even WANT to win? At least the President is trying to win. His opponents' only strategy seems to be to reflexively oppose whatever it is the President proposes. The honorable way out is to finish the job of training the military and police until it is ready and able to keep the peace. It's a very difficult time-consuming task, but not impossible. This war is a test of wills. The President's will is strong. The will of the majority of the soldiers to complete the mission successfully is strong. It appears to be the people - fed a continuous diet of defeatist stories from the mainstream media - who are weakening. The soldiers deserve better support than that.
It saddens me to see, hear, and read all the American bashing done by Americans! Yes! Americans! What Gives? When all of you hypocrites blame the problems of the world on one man, our president you are actually blaming the United States of America. If our Great country that was built with the blood of many thousands of our brave men and women who willingly gave their lives and limbs for the belief that freedom isn't free ever falls to aggression, it will come from within, a direct result of you! But you say America is great because we have freedom of speech, so I have the right to bash my President and everything he stands for. The President is our leader and he stands for everything we believe in so to criticize the President is to criticize our country and yourself. Loose lips sink Ships my fellow Americans and in this day and age with all the worldly news and high speed internet, it is your loose brains that are trying like Hell to sink our beloved country. The President had nothing to do with the problems of this world. Is it a crime to have and use the power to instill our belief that freedom is the best course for this small plant? This is a small planet and it is getting smaller every day! Do we watch and do nothing when our neighbor runs wild in the street cutting off the head of whoever crosses his path? Well, some of you might. I say you because you are not a true Freedom loving American and have nothing to offer a brave world clawing its way out of the dark ages. Yes, we can and are without a doubt winning this war of terror. It amazes me when anyone would think otherwise. So when I hear a representative of this Great Nation even utter the word defeat, I can only wonder what his/her real intentions are for it is not ours. Wake up America and smell the Freedom!
Jim Potee said: "I don't think Americans have bothered to stop and think how sick they're going to feel if they turn on the news and see jihadists dancing in the streets of Iraq stomping and burning american flags while cheers of victory over the U.S." Not that I disagree with your beliefs on what happens if we pull out... one thing which bothers me is there is no acknowledgement that we made a mistake in entering this mission to begin with. If some of you that continuously remind us why it is impractical to leave now - could be at least be humble enough to admit that it was an impractical exercise to begin with, as many clearly warned - I suspect you might (maybe) get some sympathy. My real question is this: If we leave tomorow or 10 years from now - assuming insurgents or anyone intent on disrupting any permanent stability manages to keep things status quo (which the violence is said to have reached self-sustaining levels as we speak), won't the results be the same WHEN EVER we pull out? On the day we do finally pull our men & women out, I think we should busy ourselves celebrating. The only Americans that should be condemed to watch the news, and jihadist should be Bush & Cheney - in syndication for weeks on end!
All of you are wrong! They couldn't care less about the Iraqi people. The Bush gang has accomplished exactly what they started out to do the minute they had control of both the Congress and the White House. 1. Keep the Iraqis from pumping oil to up the price and to keep their buddies in Texas and the Saudis enriched while convincing the American people to allow drilling in the ANWR and off the coast of California and in the Gulf of Mexico. 2. To drain the American economy to the point that we will never pay it off in time to save Social Security and Medicare, something the conservatives (or cons as I call them) have been waiting to kill for many decades. 3. And finally to give the religious fanatics that they serve what they wanted...to get Armageddon started. They have always believed that we are in "the end times" and that the sooner we get it started, the sooner Jesus will come riding down from heaven on that cloud with a lightening bolt in his hand to save them all. Congratulations to the Neocons and the Bush Administration. Job well done. You've accomplished two out of three. I guess we will see if Jesus comes to save you. Though I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you!
Harold Allwardt wrote: "We have to leave and let them sort things out." That's basically what we did in 'Nam. It's called losing. When you are in a war the only question that should be asked and answered is: How do we win?
"I ask him, why send 20,000 (troops) only — why not send 50 or 100 thousand? Aren't you aware that the dogs of Iraq are pining for your troops' dead bodies?" al-Zawahri said in an excerpt of the video released by SITE. "So send your entire army to be annihilated at the hands of the mujahedeen (holy warriors) to free the world from your evil," he said, "because Iraq, land of the Caliphate and Jihad, is able to bury 10 armies like yours, with Allah's help and power." Wake up America! This is what we are up against and must be defeated.
this war is sick---until we get the cowboy out of thre---there will be no peace. He has done so much damage to our image that we may never recover. I voted for him 2x----because the Demos did not run anyone decent. Lets impeach him and get someone decent in


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