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Chuck Todd's thoughts on the forum

Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:07 PM by Jen Brown

From NBC's Chuck Todd

My friends at Hardball ask me to keep tabs on the AFSCME forum and share my extraneous thoughts as these folks were speaking. Here you go -- random thoughts from the morning so far. First off, what a great show. Forums are usually a bore but this one was fun to watch and Chris kept it moving. These candidates tried hard not to make news, but they certainly fed off the crowd which also kept the energy level up. Overall, it's a forum format other groups (both left and right) ought to copy. This works. Now, for some candidate-by-candidate chatter ... please forgive the stream of consciousness of it. Between morning conference call planning and "First Read," it was necessary to keep thoughts short and, well, all over the map:
 
Richardson: He is so much better in a forum format than a debate format. One of the surprises of this campaign has been his weakness at the debates. Today was a better day for him; he looked good and he sounded confident.

Kucinich: He has an amazing ability to not seem like he's in the same room as other folks on stage. He's very self-aware, almost too much so that it makes him seem somehow aloof. It's odd, I wish I were a better writer so that I could explain it better. Bottom line: He's more in line on the issues with the rank-n-file than anyone else on stage and yet, he's getting less traction this cycle than he did four years ago.

Clinton: There was an odd standoff moment over Scooter Libby between Clinton and Chris Matthews. Clinton egged on the audience as a way to dodge answering it. But, curiously, she didn't answer with a definitive no. Why? Seems like a homerun for her. What's fascinating, though, is that Clinton, once again, (as even Chris admitted to the audience) took control of the format -- just like she did at the last CNN debate. She's a presence.

Edwards: One of the early disappointments for Edwards has to be the lack of unified labor support he's received. On paper, he should be labor's first choice. But clearly, both Clinton and Obama are courting various unions hard. It's likely labor will once again splinter between the top three candidates and therefore render itself less significant. If Edwards becomes the nominee, it will be because labor decided to unify and get behind him. He needs labor's support more than either Obama and Clinton and if unions think about it, they'll likely have a bigger seat at the table with Team Edwards than with either Team Clinton or Team Obama. He came across much more well-informed on key AFSCME issues than the other candidates. Thank you David Bonior? (Bonior is Edwards' campaign manager and the ex-Dem congressman who was labor's best friend in Congress).

Obama: Somebody ate their Wheaties this morning. He had more passion in his opening statement than he's had at any of the debates. Nothing like a live audience to get him fired up. Matthews giving Obama the "Bobby Kennedy" treatment had to make the Obama folks happy. By the way, the Matthews' question about the "old fights" brought an interesting response from Obama. He added that he wasn't afraid of a "good fight." Looks like this criticism of him that he may not be tough enough to take on the Clintons or the Republicans is having an effect on him. Obama really was on his game, overall. The line about Hubert Humphrey was fun and engaging. Like Richardson, Obama seemed to thrive in this format, more so than in a debate format. He feeds off crowds, that's clear.

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I can't believe Chuck Todd is saying anything positive about Obama.  It seems as if he enjoys the "dissing" of this particular candidate more than others.  He ususally opens with some sort of put down of Obama.  The real truth is the real world exists outside of Washington DC and pundits need to realize they will not determine who is good or bad and who should be the next president.  Why is it that pundits believe they know everything and that's how the American people are to respond.  I don't care what the national polls are saying, the election is a year away and too much attention has been given to national polls.  I am black and female, so just because Hillary is female doesn't mean I would or should vote for her.  The same for Obama being black.  By the way, maybe you can learn something from the debate/forum that Tavis Smiley is going to have later this month.  He will tackle real day-to-day issues that most folk are dealing with.  Listen and learn.  I want my president to be engaged with real people - not those propped up on a stage with the American flag.  I don't want my president to listen to pundits.  That is a real problem.  Go to the inner city neighborhoods and schools.  Talk to real people who make minimum wage or parents with kids in low performing schools due to the lack of books, computer equipment, etc.  There is truly more to this country than Washington DC and those european looking know-it-all pundits.
Just a political observation from some political novices in America: Both my husband and I were excited about Obama at first but the more we get to know him the less we like.  Without discussing it, we both agreed with did not respond well to his "preaching" style.  We've had enough of that.  If Mr. Richardson can't get out ahead and win the nomination, we only see one good choice left, Mrs. Clinton.  And we both get more excited all the time about her.  Perhaps that is what the polls are showing.  The more we get to know Hillary, the more we like.  Sort of the reverse of Obama.  
The election isn't until next year.  This is all a little to early
I have heard very little about Edwards inspiring moment when talking about "big ideas" I thought that capture the essense of the democratic party, we have a vision of hope not just for America, but for the world, we understand that we should and must lead, when I hear a republican candidate, they are much more focus on the protection of individual amendments, security, role of goverment in people's life, abortion.  these issues are not easy to grasp and they do their best to try to drive a wedge between all of us Americans.  I believe that Hillary has an incredible opportunity here, I would personally love to see her get the nomination and then the white house, she is smart, driven and will listen to both sides of the political isle, maybe she will finally be our generation's UNITER... remember that word boys and girls?
I personally have never liked Hillary. I think she is to stuffy and wouldn't do a good job as President. She seems to closed minded.

Out of all of them I think Edwards would do the best job. I feel he is more in tune with the every day American. Not the rich and greedy.

We desperately need the right person this next term. If we don't get the right person, America can get flushed even more into the sewer than it has been the last 6 years. We need someone that isn't afraid of using diplomacy. Hillary doesn't have it. She is not a people person.
I personally have never liked Hillary. I think she is to stuffy and wouldn't do a good job as President. She seems to closed minded.

Out of all of them I think Edwards would do the best job. I feel he is more in tune with the every day American. Not the rich and greedy.

We desperately need the right person this next term. If we don't get the right person, America can get flushed even more into the sewer than it has been the last 6 years. We need someone that isn't afraid of using diplomacy. Hillary doesn't have it. She is not a people person.
Hillary Clinton is an exciting speaker. She has such extensive knowledge and explains everything so well to the average person. The more you see her, the better she gets! I also noticed that Chris Matthews asked her the most difficult questions of all the candidates.She sure didn't hesitate!!What a leader.
I saw the forum.  Clinton was evasive.  Obama and
Edwards were sharp.  Clinton has a way of blurring
the issues.  NAFTA has been a disaster for working people.  NOw Chinese cars are coming in without
any tariffs.  I was a Hillary fan, but now it realized if she is elected nothing really will change
for me or my family.
What Chuck Todd and others in the media establishment seem to totally miss is that people in the rest of the country don't care at all about Scooter getting pardoned. It's asinine questions like these that bog down any substantive debate in the country. The audience wanted Matthews to to his job: ask questions that matter to people outside the Beltway.
I'm not sure if I've heard Obama's style called preaching before.  If anything, he style has been called analytic, professorial.  It is the fact that he doesn't go in and try to fire up people with a sermon (red meat) that has people questioning his ability to fight.  It also is reflective of his ideals that we should be working together to a consensus rather than beating each other up with overheated rhetoric.  I'm not sure which canidadate or political race Sandy is watching.
You are so right, Daniel; and Sandy, you need to hold on to your hopes for Richardson.  Let's look at the same period four years ago:

6/12-18/2003

Lieberman 21
Gephardt 17
Kerry 13
Graham 7
Dean 7
Edwards 6
Sharpton 6
Moseley Braun 5

Even two months later, here's what it looked like:

8/4-6/2003

Lieberman 23
Gephardt 13
Dean 12
Kerry 10
Edwards 5
Moseley Braun 5
Sharpton 4


Even after Labor Day, although there was a significant shift, it was still anybody's race:

9/8-10/2003

Gephardt 16
Dean 14
Lieberman 13
Kerry 12
Edwards 5
Moseley Braun 4
Sharpton 2

Leiberman started going down hill and was never the same.  But here is the biggest one for you:  John Kerry was at 9% just before the Iowa Caucuses, but won them handily.  Polls, pollster, and pundits don't mean squat!!



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