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Who won the debate?

Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:12 PM by Sam Go

MSNBC hosts reacted instantly on-air to how they thought the debate went. Below are a few highlights:

Chris Matthews
For a while, I thought I was hearing recitation. She was more of a contestant than a candidate. I thought I was watching a spelling bee with some of Gov. Palin’s responses. It was so reciting, so automatic.

She said she wasn’t going to listen to Gwen Ifill tonight. She also said didn't like "the filter of mainstream media," which means she’s not going to do more serious interviews like Katie Couric.

I also thought it was interesting that Sarah Palin wanted to enlarge the constitutional role for the vice president. I've never heard anyone seek an office, and then ask to have its powers increased on their watch. That was extraordinary and requires more exploration for the media.

So, in essence, tonight, what a statement: “I’m not playing by the rules, and when I get elected I want more power in the office than it has had before.” There's not too much humility there.

Pat Buchanan
Sarah Palin was sensational tonight. She not only met expectations, she wiped the floor with Joe Biden. She was personable, young, and exciting. She looked straight to the camera. I didn’t see a foot fault in the whole thing.

Of all the four candidates I’ve watched, she was the most  interesting and attractive of them all. I would take a look at the over-all impression of that hour and a half. Joe Biden was boring and Palin was exciting.

I sat with some Democratic ladies as I was watching, and they were all surprised at how well she did. I think there are conservatives and Republicans breathing a sigh of relief, saying, “Yes, we were nervous.” 

I think she has done a sensational job and she had recaptured that magic she had at the convention.

Rachel Maddow
I think Sarah Palin met the lower expectations of not being willing to discuss policy in too much substance or detail. On the higher expectations on personality and poise, I didn’t think she met them. She was certainly very folksy but in a frantic, gimmicky way.

I thought the moment when Joe Biden choked up, the way we’ve seen him do over the years on the Senate floor -- about how he was not sure his children were going to pull through, he was referring to his son being injured in a car accident and losing his daughter awhile back -- she ignored it, and then just talked about John McCain as a maverick. It was a talking point and she used them in a forced, inhuman kind of way. It was as if she was a character instead of someone you might like to spend time with.

She did make news by saying the power of the vice president ought to be expanded. That wouldn't have been a big deal four years ago, but coming out of Vice President Dick Cheney and his legacy, her saying that -- that's news.

She also made a gaffe by calling the top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan McCllelan instead of McKiernan. 

I don’t know, the next person that winks at me, I don’t think I’ll be able to take it.

Keith Olbermann
Gov. Sarah Palin did not crash, she did not burn, but she also did not answer the question.

Governor Palin began the debate with a request to keep things informal, asking Senator Biden at the handshake, "Hey, can I call you Joe?" From there, it was a short trip to attempting a connection with working class voters and the proverbial "Joe Six Pack."

But in addition to viewing the actual debate questions as optional, Palin's strategy when things got uncomfortable was to stray into energy no matter what the original topic.

Asked about her greatest  weakness, Governor Palin talked about her strengths and her marriage and her executive skills and the shining city on the hill.

Asked about Afghanistan, she got the name of the commander there wrong, misquoted him, and tried to scold Senator Biden for getting the quotes right.

Asked about Iraq, she got the number of troops there, wrong.

Asked about X, she answered about Y, and on at least one occasion said in advance she would not answer the moderator's question.


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The Governor of Alaska did not spontaneously combust, she did not say she'd get back to us...  in that sense, it was a triumph. And possibly, in no **other** sense.

The question tonight: Was it enough?  Was Governor Palin's performance tonight the game-changer that was needed to reverse the downward slide of the Republican ticket?

 

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Although I am not a fan of Governor Palin, I was starting to feel sorry for her this past week.....BUT tonight got me off that train. It is frightening to think that there is a possibility of her becoming President. I thought she was disrespectful of Joe Biden and of Gwen by stating that she would not answer the questions the way the moderator wanted.  She definitely was just reciting what has been pounded in her head in preparation. There is no way some of the words and thoughts that she spoke were her own.  I am tired of her "cutesy" ways and the fact that she stated that she would like the VP to have more power really turned me off.
I was frightened by Palin's obvious memorization of set answers to questions she was going to answer whether they were asked or not.  I was insulted by her "winking" at the camera so much and her "vacant" smile.  What in the world would we be saying if Biden had done that.  I was stunned by her inability to really hear Biden when he mentioned HIS FAMILY experience.  She seems mean to me and actually sneered at a dignified senator.  I was mad that she so easily will lie and I was disgusted that she wants to expand Cheney's role as veep.  We are in a lot of trouble if this ticket wins.

I think Biden was clear, passionate and gracious to her.  She did not deserve his good manners in retrospect.  Eleanor Herndon, Greensboro, NC
Palin dutifully recited some of her talking points, and changed the subject or refused to answer questions when they didn't fit.  For that she gets credit.  But can anyone say with a straight face that she won the debate, that she passed the "commander in chief" test (in the event something happens to McCain)?

Biden demonstrated his vast policy knowledge as well as his heart.  He also showed a masterful sense of diplomacy.  He'd be a great VP.
Definitions of Maverick.. Loose Cannon.. dissenter, enfant terrible..
Sounds like change alright. His way or the highway.
Just the person we need to unify America. Yeeehaw! Bring in the
motherless calf boys!
Biden won just by his restraint, I would've loved seeing him go after Madam Gov. Hate political evasion. Wouldn't walk across the street to see Palin.
Sarah Palin was a frightening presence tonight.  She was overbearing, frenetic, and grabbing for a power grab with her chilling remarks about disregarding the moderator and expanding the role of the Vice President.  Her contentions about looking back are also frightening because wisdom says that those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.  
Did Joe Biden really say "Barack Obama saw the glass as half empty and I saw it as half full?"  He came across like a man that wanted to be President, not Vice President.  Palin makes a fauxpas like that and the wild dogs tear into her...how are we NOT to think main stream media is biased?
McCain & Palin camp keep promising that McCain will work in a bipartisan way and it's such a joke! McCain is bitter, conrolling & dismissive if someone expresses a differing point of view, or dare question his campaign decisions. Palin surrounds herself with friends and dismisses anyone who disagrees with her. They are just like Bush & Cheaney!
How could Palin win? She didn't answer the questions???? Where's Katie Couric when you need her. If the moderator had held her to answering the questions. it would have been like watching the katie Couric interview again. Let's start talking about her NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS
Sarah Palin did a great job.  She provides a fresh voice and a candidate whose main concern truly is America and the American people and not partisan politics as usual.  If only we could get rid of many of our career politicians and their partisan agendas.
Also, it would be really refreshing to see news analysts who are really doing their job and not pushing their own politics.
Buchanan please?  Palin is ...Personable, young and exciting?  Is that what makes a good vice presidential candidate?  I think not! Were you watching the same debate I was ... she was all fluff no substance. Her answers were canned to questions not asked.  Did she really call him OBiden?  

I wanted to like her, I wanted thinking women everywhere to be proud to have a woman knocking on the glass ceiling.  It didn't happen.  

She doesn't appear to have a thought in her head that someone didn't put there.  Obviously, McCain has no plan of change and if he does she could not state one part of it.

Why did Biden go back to the past, because as Sister Philomena taught in 9th grade History ... if you fail to examine the past you are destined to repeat it.

The definition of insane is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.  I pray that none of us will be duped into continuing another 4 years of trickle down policies.  

The economy is not strengthened by trickle down ... It never was.  We are all strengthened when it bubbles up, no one wins until everyone wins.  

As a small business owner for more than 30 years I can tell you that relatively few of us are pulling down more than $250,000 a year ... we'd be blessed in this economy to earn $100,000.  When you are ... you are not longer a SMALL Business Owner.  

What the Republicans are selling ... I am no longer buying.  
I wish I had thought of Sarah Palin's strategy when I was in high school debate class--just cheat--don't answer the questions.  If Gwen didn't have any authority to check that sort of gambit, why not just let both participants do a 45 minute stump speech.

Biden won and I'm a registered Republican.
The deed is done. Let's get on with the campaign and get these last 30 days overwith.  Barack is clearly in the lead and will stay that way.  McCain is disentigrating as we speak and Palin has her nose so high in the clouds she may simply burst from nosebleed in the meantime.  Barack has won, plain and simple.  It's all over but the shoutin'!
Wake up people. If Biden has been so good why didn't he get to be the presidential hopeful after his 35 years!! in congress. He is just like the rest of the blowhards there. We need the Mavericks.
I thought both Joe Biden and Gwen Ifill dropped the  ball. Biden didn't rebutt any of Palin's obvious mistakes, and Ifill allowed Palin to take over the show and didn't ask the follow-ups. Biden also didn't press for specifics on the subjects now on everybody's minds: The economy, stupid!
I take my hat off for Joe Biden. He knows his stuff
How did this play out for the average American voter?
I found Governor Palin to be condescending, over-prepared and downright obnoxious from start to finish. While I am sure some will go for the wide smile, winks and sarcasm, I just want her and Senator McCain to know that some of us, in fact, many of us Republican and Democrats alike, are looking for answers...real concrete solutions to the situations we are facing. Style over substance won't cut it this time around.
As a Republican and a woman, I deeply offended by the notion that this is the best we have to offer ...at this point, I say this for the whole ticket. McCain's lack of judgment in choosing Palin (clearly for political gain only) shows that he does not care one iota about putting the "country first".
I have been loyal to this party for as long as I can stand. I hung in there with our President despite the direction of the country and our weakening position globally. I am now at a crossroad where I need to decide should I continue to support McCain in his arrogance and apparent lack of integrity OR do I tow the line and cast my vote despite all that's happened since the RNC, the last 2 weeks of gaffes with Mrs. Palin in particular, and now this over-rehearsed dinner theatre performance tonight.
And people wonder why there are so many undecideds...
Interesting reading some of the reactions here.  If you were looking for answers to the moderator's questions, you weren't going to get them from Palin.  Yeah... the whole Energy thing?  Segway after segway she kept bouncing around about energy and showed little command of the issues besides what can be assume was only what had been uploaded into her head over the passed few days.  Biden won the debate on the issues and, I feel, hit a "home run" with Americans when he showed his humanity in choosing to discuss his painful family experiences, while defending the idea that men can also understand what it is like to be a single parent.
When asked what she thought her achilles heel was, she rambled on about how great her accomplishments are and how wonderful John McCain is. There is no way I could see this woman standing up to Putin.
Why are the message supporting Governor Palin not being posted?
Was Buchanan drunk?
This just in...Sarah Palin thinks McCain is a MAVERICK. What I saw was a well rehearsed set of talking points. She flat out dodged certain questions, and doesn't seem to have an achilies heel. It reminds me when Bush was asked if he could identify a mistake he had made. She showed an ability to recite, good for her.
I'd like to point out the actual truth of what she said when she spoke of the Vice President having power over the Senate.
You guys...The Vice President IS the President of the Senate. What she obviously wants is to move that from a symbolic role with only one true action (a vote if there is a tie) and change it into one where the VP actually works with the Senate.
So there is actual constitutional basis for those of you on Hardball who obviously haven't read it.
I agree with Sue B.... Buchanan is off base. I found his comments degrading to women. He also said Sarah Palin was "attractive"...please!! As a woman, I'd like a VP to be known for her brains and abilities...not because she can charm an old geezer like Buchanan.
Since when is totally ignoring a question a debate "tactic"?
When asked about the threshold for pulling the nuclear trigger, you respond with an answer about TAXES??? Yikes.....
I found her behavior to be condescending!  The fact that she winked repeatedly and threw in several "folksy" tidbits did not impress me, instead, it made me even more fearful that she might be a heartbeat away from the presidency.  Not once did she ever answer a question directly and each time she would change the subject.  I thought Biden did a good job in that he stayed on message, and, was respectful to her as she rambled on and on!
Don't look back! Translation: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

We will have suffered through eight years of a President with a prideful lack of knowledge of history or the lessons learned from it. Suffering through another four years of an administration that refuses to look at how we got here and learn from that reflection is unacceptable and, frankly, scary.

Give her, as Vice President, more Constitutional powers? God help us!
Wow!  Joe Biden was roadkill.  It showed that even he, from Scranton and Wilmington, does not believe the dangerous things and lies that Obama says.  Go Sarah!
To Grace in Louisville........maybe there are no messages being posted of support for Palin because there are no such messages being posted!
As a working class voter, a veteran of 22 years in the USAF, and a union member, I can think of nothing more scary than Palin becoming the Vice President. It was apparent to me that Palin was more like the old TV add "I'm not a Vice President, but I play one on TV."  She obviously could only repeat coached statements, and could not answer questions.  She is incapble of stating actual policy.  I am tired of her trying to compare being the mayor of a town with 5,000 people to being the Vice President of the United States.  She does not have what it takes to be Vice President and McCain showed very poor judgment in selecting her as his running mate.  While I have serious disagreements with Biden and Obama on the war - I believe in a more immediate end to the illegal occupation of Iraq - I will have to vote for them next month as McCain/Palin scare the hell out of me.
I have very serious doubts as to the professional aspects that is required by a VP and Ms. Palin.  That "Folksy" attitude makes me cringe.  It reminds me of a person who is not intellectal and so they cover it up with the "Folksy" attitude. I'm wondering how she would do sitting across from Foreign Digintaries using that "Folksy" language.  I find that appalling and totally unprofessional.
I was surprised at how good Palin was but then I realized she was giving a stump speech over and over. And I agree with Maddow--I thought if she winks and gets any more folksy I may throw up. Didn't we elect a guy last time who was "great to have a beer with". That did not work out well. We need a President and a VP who can think on their feet and answer actual questions asked.
Yep definitely voting for Barr now only hope of changing our situation.
Why don't you liberals talk about somthing like Biden LIED at Least Ten times regarding his and MaCains voting records.  If Palin lied even Once, the Pathetic Liberals would eat Her for lunch but somehow when your liberal, socialist and have no plan, nothing to pick your opponent apart accept her wink, you can Lie freely about your record and it's OK. Shame on you all.   Maybe you watched a different debate than I did.  Sarah Palin was Great!
One more wink and I would have gone through the tv. nice lady over her depth needs to go back to being hockey mom, Joe Biden was a gentleman and won the debate.
Absolutely, Positively, Joe Biden won the debate, however Sarah Palin made a good show of it for the Republicans...notice I said a "good show of it"...that's all it was A GOOD SHOW OF IT...nothing else!!!   WAKE UP PEOPLE.......DON'T GET SUCKERED IN BY THE HYPE!
i believe that sarah palin had done a good job in memorizing all of her answer to the topics she would want to discuss with! i applaud you for that! i did that too when i was in college...cramming a day or two before the exams!!!

that only shows how bogus she is and i do believe that she didn't do anything good to their ticket. my husband and i love BIDEN a lot! i even cried when he mentioned about his first wife and daughter who both died of a car accident. if you want change, vote for OBAMA-BIDEN. Their the ones who would end this war, the war that brought AMERICA into depression.
Watched the "debate" with my husband who is a McCain supporter. We agreed to offer no comments while it was on. After about 25 minutes, he muttered, "I can't take it any more," and left. I stayed through it all and all I could think of was, she really IS a post turtle. You drive down a country road and see a turtle on a post; you know it didn't get there by itself; it doesn't belong up there; it doesn't know what to do now that it's there; and you wonder about the guy who put it there.
As a Republican I  really worked hard to like Gov. Palin but this debate has convinced me to vote for Obama-Biden. Palin blew the her pseudo-genuine image on national TV by not even acknowedging Biden when he choked up while speaking of the traumatic death of a family member. Little cracks like this will continue to develop.
Palin did well, in that she did not flub up badly... a small claim to fame.  Biden appeared thoughtful, knowledgable and ... dare I say it ... presidential...  Not having been much of a Biden fan in the past, I was impressed.  Anyone who watched that and felt that Palin did much more than recite the same campaign slogans, endlessly, is intellectually dishonest.  Now, is she educable, almost certainly yes.  But is she ready to assume the Presidency in the middle of January, 2009 in a worst case scenario.. almost certainly not.
Joe Biden had his act together and answered the debate questions professionally; Sarah Palin had a script and refused to answer the questions posed; she talked jibberish at times.  She doesn't show the professionalism I expect in a Vice President; Biden does.

I shudder to think what would happen to this country if McCain/Palin are elected and started shooting from the hip.  I pray Obama/Biden continue to get the votes needed to be our next elected President/Vice President.  This country needs them.  They care about working class Americans.  They will help get us out of this crisis and back on track.  
First off, Sarah palin did herself...John McCain and the Republican party very proud tonight. However Chris Matthews was wrong for saying it was 11pm when she brought her baby on stage as part of her ACT (says you)!! Duh, Chris! Sarah was on CENTRAL time so it was only 10pm... actually only 9:30pm when she finished her speech. You need to get your facts right before you sprout out a biased opinion that you think the public doesn't notice.
Both did a good job tonight.  Palin and Obama are so equal on experience level (lack there of), just in different arenas.  Except Obama's at the top of his ticket...scary!
I love how low the bar is for Palin. When she started giving shout outs to 3rd graders, I realized: wow, this is the best the Republican party can do??! Too bad 3rd graders don't get a vote.
To: David Peter, Las Vegas, Nevada
If you are scared of Palin being VP then you must be really afraid of a man with no experience and ties to criminals being President. Change is a word that he uses in his message to the American people and for a man who said he is not the typical candidate Obama has become just that-he will say and do anything to be president.  I used to support him till I started asking hard questions about his past and his ties and then I realized that no one really knows anything about him, nor will he let them know anything other than what he allows.  He is not the best choice-he is the wrong choice.  And Biden tonight-he was caught as he knows he did not support Obama until he was selected to be VP.  Palin did the job of relating to the everyday person which Biden did not.  I won't vote for Obama which I thought impossible for me to admit to. McCain might not be the best choice but he is the better choice.  
Senator Biden answered the questions he was asked which I thought was the purpose of this debate.  Governor Palin, on the other hand was evasive and rude.  Her presence was not refreshing, it was embarrasing and insulting to those of us who are taking this election seriously. I am curious to know what the critics would have had to say if Senator Biden conducted himself in the same manner as Sara Plain did? By the way, did anyone count the amount of times she used the word also?
Sarah Palin is an accomplished actress, beauty queen wannabe, and political competitor.  She has been training for decades for her moment on the national stage.  As a performer and an actress, I have to admire her talent, but continue to be terrified at the prospect of her ascending to national office.  We need to send her back to Alaska!
I agree whole heartedly with Keith Olbermann. Palin avoided the questions and defended incorrect facts. But who could expect anything, else given the recent, albeit few, interviews. The blatant and feeble effort she made to attempt to appeal to “small-town voters” was sickening and is not becoming of any person in a position of power. In the end, I doubt any sensible voter, who watched the debate, could deny Joe Biden victory. Palin may not have been destroyed, but neither did she succeed by any measure.
I have seen every debate and watched endless hours of campaign coverage. I lost a lot of respect for Sen. Biden tonight. I heard him deny, over and over again, statements which he made in the Democratic debates. Sarah Palin was more than his equal tonight. He should be thankful she didn't remind America that he thinks FDR was Pres. when the stock market crashed.  
Absolutely, Positively, Joe Biden won the debate, however Sarah Palin made a good show of it for the Republicans...notice I said a "good show of it"...that's all it was A GOOD SHOW OF IT...nothing else!!!   WAKE UP PEOPLE.......DON'T GET SUCKERED IN BY THE HYPE!


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