The implosion of Hillary?

Your right all politicians lie but no-body has lied to the americian public more than George Bush, I'm sorry but if his lips are moving, he's lying !!!

Ah, watch, the Democrats are already starting to self-destruct. They just cannot help themselves. Rudy must be loving it. McCain...not so much, since he and Mitt (Did I say a woman had a right to choose? Nonsense!) Romney will also cancel each other out. No wonder we get such clowns in high public office.

Hillary, go away. You can't win the nomination and you are doing nothing but causing problems. No one like you. Liberals hate your pro-war arrogance, and Conservatives just plain hate you. You can not win.

Interesting what the Clinton campaign chose to criticize about the Dowd column -- what were considered "attacks." If I were running for President, I would have responded to only two remarks, one unattributed to Geffen, and possibly Dowd's own bit of gossip: that of Clinton "fatigue" among even donors, who "fret...that [Bill] will pull the 'focus' and shelve his wife's campaign." And the second Geffen quote that demanded a strong reaction was: :: "I think that America was better served when the candidates were chosen in smoke-filled rooms.” Why aren't all the candidates screaming about that line? There is no question Geffen would put himself in one of those smoke-filled rooms (although, being a healthy Hollywood type, the smoke would be reduced to a metaphor) ... and it is an astonishingly contemptuous view of democracy, a classist comment that reveals the ugly underbelly of power, regardless of political preference.

Wow! It looks like Hillary is scared to death of Obama's campaign. Team Clinton needs to understand that a candidate can't be held responsible for what a supporter says. BUT a campaign staffer (Mr Wolfson) can be held responsible. Believe it or not Mrs Clinton, we the people are smart enough to know the difference. LET'S KEEP IT CLEAN!!! I beleive the winner will be the one who can remain focused on the issues.

This absolutely drives me nuts! I'm an ardent democrat and will probably support any credible candidate that the process churns out, but the Clinton campaign is making it very hard for me to stick with my approach. Wolfson's arguments on MSNBC were silly, non-sensical, and irritating. And they wonder why people think her campaign is unwinnable. She's already galvanizing for the right and much of the center...now she'll be galvanizing to the left, which means she won't stand a snowballs chance. I predict that if she wins the nomination, Nader will have a record tally; he may even have my vote.

Well said, Wendy. Let us not forget those smoke-filled rooms were populated by men only. Classist and sexist. But why does anyone care who Geffen backs, or is that naive of me?

I am, like many others are, fed up with the mean spirited comments of our representatives and political leaders. We would like them to concentrate on what they can do for all of us as a United country and stop acting like bickering children.

When the government gets real about the realities of living and working in this country we will have better government and candidates. It always amazes me we can find the funding to help total strangers in another country which most of us will never visit or desire to do so but we can't fund our own school systems, roads and highways, medical care and on and on

Truth hurts I guess. The Clinton's are simply craven political creatures. Sorry folks but its true. Explain to me please the reasoning behind Hillary's flag burning amendment, yikes. 20 years of this Bush/Clinton dynastic fiasco is enough for me. Hillary now claiming she is being strong by refusing to admit a mistake. Refusing to admit mistakes sounds awfully familiar, kind of President Bush like really. The Clinton years were certainly better than the Bush years but that hardly saying much. We deserve better than what either of these dynasty has delivered.

You know, I'm unsure how Senator Obama can be ultimately responsible for what someone else chooses to say. I like Senator Clinton, I'm a fan, but it's disheartening to hear this. I also hate to say it, but at some point or another in weighing which candidate I will back come primaries, I have thought at least 3 out of 5 of these thoughts myself ... particularily the "polarizing" one. To assign blame on Senator Obama simply because someone who backs him said this is stretching it a bit. I was really hoping that the Democrats in this race could keep in clean & classy. I sincerely hope I will not be disappointed in the months to come.

All the candidates aren't screaming about the "smoke-filled rooms" line 'cause they believe it too.

Obama handled this exactly right. To paraphrase his personal response: "I don't quite understand why I should apologize for someone else's opinion." Hillary, on the other hand, didn't handle this herself. She's sent a minion out to complain that one of Obama's supporters said a few mean things, while she has not apologized for Ford of S.C.'s comments about Obama. Double standard. She's throwing away the black vote. She's showing the same pig-headedness - refusing to say that her vote for the war was a mistake - as Bush has shown. That vote was wrong: she should've asked the tough questions before doing it, and she didn't, so face it head on like Edwards has. Finally: the Dems are NOT self destructing. Hillary is. Obama handled it perfectly. And this micro-test of both demonstrates why he deserves the nomination.

I's way overdue to outsource the federal jobs just like they said for us blue collar type. I'm betting the Chinese could and would do a much better and cost efficient job running this country than republicans or demacrats. At least we would all have jobs and gain a little respect from the rest of the world.

I much admired the Clinton Presidency. What I want to know, and want Chris Matthews to ask, is this: Did Hillary ask Bill's advice on the war vote? After all, he knew the CIA better than she, knew about Al Quida, Bin Laden,etc. The former President was well informed on all these issues, all the principal and minor players are familiar to him. Unlike the Bush Administration, Bill Clinton had a grasp of the warring factions in Iraq pre-invasion. Did she ask Bill Clinton about the most important Senate vote of the last 100 years? If yes, what did he say, and if no, why not? mandy

I was just thinking about the presidential debates when Bush was asked what were his mistakes and he drew a blank. What do you think Hillary's answer would be?

I like both Hillary and Obama, but really wish there was a third option that had the gravitas to win. I wish Gore would get back in. He has shown for 20 years that he thinks globally and forwardly. He has never been as polarizing as Hillary and certainly not as green as Obama. Gore already beat Bush once (popular vote) and can beeat McCain or Gulianni handily. I'm not sure either Hillary or Obama can. DRAFT GORE!!

Picture this: Clinton wins the White House and we get to watch Howard Wolfson every day as her press secretary whine and recast the truth!

It is a shame that in the United States of America,we are unable to come together as a nation and stop attacking each other to "appear" to be the best choice. It seems as though we have run out of hero's in this nation. The best either party can do is to dig up dirt and undermine each other. A nation divided against itself can not stand. Until there is a "decent' candidate available,we will self destruct.

I don't understand how this is Obama's fault. Logic says that Geffen should apologize.

First of all I am NOT a raciest nor am I a woman hater, I believe that neither Hillary nor Obama will win the election so why bother wasting the peoples money. It is all a lie and the fact that they are “the front runners” is BS. If the people of the United States are ready for an African American or a woman to be the next president then this country is in more trouble than we think. The facts being that the majority of voters are NOT going to vote for either of them remains. All the hype surrounding them is to draw people away from what is really going on in the world and keeps people in the dark about what it really takes to become president. The government has already decided the next president and nothing we as members of the voting parties do can change it. It has always amazed me that the people still think they have a voice in what is done in Washington or the rest of the world. Money talks and those with the most money are the ones who decide who is going to do what. I have watched way to many people in politics say one thing and do something else to believe anything that comes out of their mouths. The fact that social security and health care are ALWAYS the topic of many candidates’ platforms and nothing EVER gets done to either of them is proof of this. Knowing Hillary’s past is going to be her downfall; Obama being of African American decent is going to be his. I personally feel sorry for all those people that waste their hard earned money to support them knowing they don’t stand a chance of winning. That is my opinion and I could be wrong but I’m not. Have a blessed day, my God bring back truth to the political parties, and stop the lies that are spewed from their mouths.

If hillary is upset about these comments I have only one thing to say "if you can't stand the heat, you better get out of the kitchen.

It sounds like the Billaries needs to fire Mr. Wolfson. He makes the Clintons seem like weak, spineless people, unsuited to public office.

Geffen's comments take me back to junior high where this type of nastiness was practiced and honed by the cheerleaders and other a-list chicks. Good times! Unfortunately for us, Obama seems less-committed to the "different kind of campaign" that his speeches would otherwise suggest.

I remember the first Clinton attempt at running things. We can't miss you if you won't go away. And take Bill with you.

Messr.: Your much appreciated quotes from Dowd's column are exactly and appropriately on point! And I had thought that Maureen had been incorporated in to the Clinton Mysteries, and long ago joined their rank ranks. Nothing to disagree with here, as one disagreeably witnesses - once again - the ugly viciousness and arrogance of the unspeakable HillBillaries. And indeed, yes, she would be the easiest candidate for a Republican nominee to defeat, presuming they nominate a viable candidate, which is the big "if." Please not McCain, who is actually lionized by the Democrats because he would be the easiest Republican to defeat! To prognosticate: I will go on record and state that no less than 60% of all male voters will, if the distaff side of the HillBillaries is the Democrat nominee, which is thankfully far from a certainty, vote against her simply because is is indeed some sort of woman. That is why I am hoping that the Democrats are dumb enough to nominate her, so that her purported though unfounded attractiveness to voters can be finally disspelled, and she can then return to her Arkansas log cabin and become reacquainted with her corn-cob pipe. Just because she remained married to a serial rapist for Bill's two terms in office, for the sake of her own sainted political interests and future, and was engaged previously as the ex-lover of the late Vince Foster prior to that stint for a nearly equal length of time, does not qualify her for high office, even if present circumstances allow, as they seemingly do, a ridiculously low standard of qualification for members of Congress. She is instead a much better candidate for serious therapy and intensive counseling. Agreed, too, is the proposition that Hillbilly-Saturday-Bill is not any sort of an asset to a political candidate. The example of his campaigning while president on behalf of members of Congress who are no longer in office is more than enough evidence to the contrary, in order to dispel that fantasy. Recall, if you will, that while this subsequently convicted felon was president, the Democrats lost both houses of Congress, which they had held almost exclusively for the preceding congresses. Although it is said that the collective memory of the polity is short, it is not that short, or forgiving of such nefarious conduct.

I agree with DK705 RC Ca. The peoples' vote for their representatives is an insignificant part of the politics of power. I am amazed that so many intelligent(?) people get up and tout it every two years as if it really mattered that much. It is the golden rule - He(mostly)that has the gold rules, even if by proxy!

I Think we should forget the Clinton and start giving the people a look at the truth on the war and Quite trying to help the democratses loss it for us .back out and running is not for our best

My Fellow Americans, Grow Up! How does a discussion about "mud slinging" by the dem's become about Bush's war. As of the day after the invasion it doesn't matter one bit how we got there or who should apologize for it. If you truly think that cutting funding is an inteligent idea over winning and coming home just ask your local HOMELESS vietman vet. As for Clinton vs. Obama I say the squared circle, winner take all.

I like and respect Hillary and, if she is the Democratic nominee, I will vote for her, just like I did with Mondale and Dukakis, but you will be able to knock me over with a feather, if she actually wins the general election. She receives no credit with the "family values" crowd because they believe that she stayed with Bill for the sake of personal ambition. Many professional women do not like her because she did stay with Bill and not uphold the honor of her gender. Her Iraq vote will keep the Democratic core from becoming excited about her candidacy, and the name Clinton will draw the forces that wanted to upend her husband's presidency together in a way that no other Democratic candidate could do. If she thinks Geffen was hardball, wait until the Republicans take her (and her husband) on! If the Clintons really care about the future of the Democratic Party, she will withdraw and devote herself to distinguishing herself in the Senate. I know lifelong Democrats who tell me that, under no circumstances, will they ever vote for her, even Democrats who held their noses while they voted for her husband! If the Democrats do proceed to nominate her, in spite of this, I will have to accept the fact that I belong to a party whose symbol should be the lemming, not the donkey.

Forget all of them. Let's get a real conservative in office, now that all the clowns are doing their thing. I say that the most competent, qualified, and desireable candidate would be the new Russian Capitalist, Vladimir Putin! Revise the Constitution, and Draft Putin! Maybe then we would get something done in Washington.

I agree with Bill in New York, lets draft Gore, and re-elect him. and btw, can we hear nothing more about a n smith?

The reason why Hillary doesn't want a discussion/investigation into the dirt of the past is because it will inevitably lead to the question: why didn't she leave President Clinton? I love him as a president, but here we have a guy who used his position of power to [sexually] take advantage of a young female intern, which we only learned about because of an investigation into identical behavior on his part while Governor of Arkansas. Enough to offend most people's sensibilities and more than enough to lead any self-respecting 'feminist' to initiate a divorce. But a divorce would have made her de facto unelectable because of all the stigma. Furthermore, she would not have had access to all of President Clinton's former staff, contacts, and donors for this election. But...that would mean she was at least considering a presidential run back in 1998/9. And...wouldn't that make her very 'calculating' and 'over-ambitious'? Ohhhh....

It's incredible! The democrats will self-distruct in record time. I guess we deserve another R president.

Man this great watching the Dems tear apart thier own. At least your ignorance of history and world events isn't focused just on Republican leaders.

We tried to get a non-polarizing figure - and he turned out to be too weak. Bush is very polarizing - but he gets elected because he stands his ground. It does not make Hillary a liar, it makes her strong. It makes her Presidential.

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