http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspxThe brawl this week started by David Geffen has captured a huge amount of attention.  Most people in this country don’t know who David Geffen is.   And for most of those in between New York and California, he represents something that theyen-USCommunityServer 2.0 (Build: 60608.1)http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#64987Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:01:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:64987MikeI believe Ms. Rosen is trying to protect Hillary's image too much. Geffen's remarks may not be accepted by the mainstream but the mainstream must ask themselves if a power player like Geffen who is a staunch democrat sees Hillary for what she is than there might be something to it. It's something the mainstream Democrats are asking themselves why Hillary won't apologize the continuance of obfuscation is the Clinton Legacy.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#64998Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:08:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:64998Colleen, Chicago ILFirst of all, if I read one more sentence that states something to the effect of "most people between California and New York", I will scream. I am certain that us Chicagoans do NOT identify ourselves with the small towns in the midwest, and I doubt the people in the suburbs of Chicago identify themselves with the people in the suburbs of Wichita. We are not a red area on the map, have a large minority population, have a large gay population, and last time I checked the City of Chicago has no farms, even within the surrounding fourty miles or so. Further, you do not have to be from New York or California to know who David Geffen is. Anyone with any interest in music knows who David Geffen is. Anyone with the internet has as much information regarding business, politics, Hollywood, and so on, as the average New Yorker or LA resident. David Geffen's remarks were spot on. Hillary Clinton can not win the presidency because Bill Clinton's past actions will drive the more conservative away in droves. As a Democrat, I would NOT vote for Hillary Clinton because of her support of the war, her coziness with the Bush family, and her inability to admit this war was absolutely wrong and the fault lies with everyone in Congress who authorized it, including her. Hillary Clinton's camp just seems pissed off that Geffen, a former Bill Clinton supporter (read: big donator), now is giving his support to someone else. Obama did not tell Geffen what to say. Is Obama going to be responsible for my blog comments now, too? Ms. Clinton, I think you will be mighty suprised when not as many women vote for you as you think will. I am a woman and would love to see a woman president, but not as much as I would love to see a GOOD president these days. Your reputation in your home area here was tarnished when you chose to represent New York as a senator, not Illinois where you are from, or even Arkansas- which would be understandable. Ms. Clinton- you are not your husband.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65007Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:11:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65007ignotus, ny,nyGeffen's virulent comments are extremely divisive to the Democratic party candidate's race as a whole. The Republicans are probably cheering silently and hoping for more of the same. What Democratic party supporters should be most cognizant of is sticking to the hard issues and not indulge in muck raking- which really is the trip Republicans are excellent at. Perhap's Geffen is a closet Republican!!! http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65010Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:12:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65010Karl - Chicago, ILAre you insane? Nothing will galvanize the Republican party like Hillary Clinton getting the Dem nod. Bil & Hil used to be the ones that Hollywood threw their money at, but since they've put their money on a different candidate it's suddenly a controversey - please. Write from you heart if you will, but be honest with us and yourself and just say that you are more interested in Hillary getting the nomination instead of washing over with this nonsense. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65021Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:16:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65021Ramon RojoIn attacking Sen. Clinton, David Geffen is letting personal emotions and history get in the way. Remember what Michael Douglas' character, Gordon Gekko, said in "Wall Street:" "Don't get emotional about stock." Geffen should take a clue from Gekko and put personal grudges aside for the benefit of the Democratic party as a whole. Then again, when has Hollywood ever been able to forgive and forget?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65033Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:19:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65033G. DunnMr. Geffen doesn't believe Hillary can be elected, that is why he spoke the truth about the Clintons. Hillary's reaction indicates the harm done to her.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65065Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:33:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65065Karen GriffinWow! I read Ms. Rosen's article.. then the comments afterwards.. and Colleen from Chicago.. YOU are spot ON! I agree with what you said and then some... Thanks for typing what i was thinking Colleen! So is this the new rule... NOBODY can say anything bad about Hillary? and more importantly, Geffen is a private citizenship , its called freedom of speech and from what i hear he said it NOT Obama... Sounds like Hillary's camp is grasping at straws here... looks like they are a little worried... hmmm http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65068Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:35:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65068Mark, Denver CO (Flyover Country)As usual Clinton Inc. spin goes into high gear. What Hilary Rosen and the rest of the Clinton apologists don't want to hear is that what "Media Mogul" Geffen has hit the nail on the head. What he said DOES resonate in flyover country and it scares the hell out of the Clintonistas to hear him say it.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65076Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:38:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65076Scott, New York CityLet's review, the election isn't until a year from November. This kind of chatter and mudslinging is truly unbelievable this early in the going. Everyone knows that Geffen gave money to Clinton before, nobody should think he won't again. This is what gives politics a big black eye. Anyone who follows this stuff, at this time, really needs to get a life. The race will surely end up between these two folks, let's all get smarter, tell everybody else to drop out, and save our economy some wasted matching funds. Let the two of them fight it out, and let the best Man win......http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65077Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:39:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65077Don PeakeI so agree with Colleen of Chicago; I too am sick and tired of the Ms.Rosens of the country assuming that everyone who lives between the coasts is L'il Abner--uneducated, unconnected, unaware of the world and of politics. For God's sake, Hilary, since Mr. Gore invented the internet and since W.R. Hearst invented the newspaper, we provincials have been able to learn about the big bad world outside our tiny farms and villages. Why, I even managed a PhD from a far-off university, and didn't lose my way home when I graduated. Hell yes, we know all about Geffen and his vendetta against the Clintons; like you, we don't know exactly what personal affront set him off but we've seen the same viciousness from Dick Morris for years so we know how former Clinton "friends" can spew hatred and lies about them. I myself am from Illinois and have favored Senator Obama but now am beginning to worry about him. He should have made clear he rejects the kind of slander Geffen provided and he didn't. He just might be less than he purports to be. We saw years and years of Clinton-bashing by his enemies and hated it; why in hell would we put up with it all over again? Of course, how would I know? I live in a little town somewhere between California and New York, and I never understand politics or law or Hollywood or why New Yorkers mispronounce Houston St. I'm sure glad Ms. Rosen is around to educate me!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65079Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:39:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65079Roberto, San Diego, CaliforniaKudos to you Colleen. To say that most people between California and New York don't know who David Geffen is would be the same as saying "most people in California and New York don't know what WalMart is." Hillary "Pants-Suit" Clinton is so on the fence about everything, she stands for NOTHING. She is not her husband - not even close and she will read the same newspaper headlines across the country stating: OBAMA WINS DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINATION!!!! PRESIDENT OBAMA SOLVES PROBLEMS!!!! http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65083Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:41:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65083ABSeriously . . .NY to LA? The coasts are what makes this country great. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with corn country. We do need to eat.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65085Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:41:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65085Anthony DeSimone, Plainsboro, NJIt is so disappointing to see two good people get caught up in the old "trash em" politics. There are those that love Hillary and/or Obama and will not change no matter what people like Geffen do or say. Then there are those who are so naive that they are swayed by who says what and who seems to be winning the 'trash em' battle. It would be wonderful if all the candidates (and their staffs) would refrain from directing negative comments about each other and instead focused on their positions on the issues. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65087Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:42:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65087JimmyH, Chicago,IL.Geffen pulled no punches and he is the first to say outloud what many Democrats are thinking. If Hillary wins and is a disaster what do we do elect Jeb Bush? It's time to move on. Go Obama.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65090Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:42:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65090Floyd Winkler, Houston, TexasI think it is obvious from reading this article whom Hilary Rosen is rooting for in this election. Isn't it ironic Hilary Rosen is accomplishing the same goal for Hilary Clinton's campaign under the guise of legitimate journalism, yet pointing her finger in hypocracy at Barack Obama and Geffen? I will not vote for either by the way, but I just found this to be ironic and comedic at the same time. Leave it to MSNBC to bring us the very best in political humor! http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65095Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:45:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65095Eric Brown, Austin, TexasOn Colleen's comment - she is correct the Hillary is not Bill and I for one am very glad. As Mr Geffen indicated in his remarks - the CLinton's are all very accomplished liers. Hillary lost any chance of my vote long ago. For a women to lie to herself about her husbands infidelity (first campaign) and then lie again when caught dead to rights (Monica)- she even blamed Bill's dead mother for his lack of control over his hormones. If she can't be true to herself, how can anyone expect her to be truthful about anything at all. She has a long track record of saying whatever she needs to when she sees personal gain for her or Bill. I don't know who the best candidate is - but I know who it isn't!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65099Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:46:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65099Paul Hood, SeattleShe did not say anything to make her point. Still want to know how Obama would be "hurt" by this?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65100Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:46:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65100Tom EllwoodDavid Geffen should stick to what he does best, produce bad music. There once was a time when Mr. Geffen garnered some respect in his field. But, alas, the lure of riches has turned him into another Hollywood money grabber who lost his soul. Take his money, Barack, and lose your soul with him.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65105Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:48:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65105mike gotwalt, york paI think Senator’s Obama and Clinton are divisive not inclusive candidates. Neither represents what America is looking for to replace he who must not be named. I also think that the national news media, especially Chris Matthews, is stuck in some sort Groundhog Day version of no news day and trying to generate interest in a Presidential campaign that is irrelevant at this day and time. We have 12 months before the Presidential primaries begin and heaven knows what sort of calamities or crisis the world will face before then. Who wins either party’s primaries in 2008 will be likely dictated on how they respond to the issues and events that are yet to occur. I think it is also a historical fact that much of the early jockeying is between Senators who have more freedom in ignoring their elected duties then do governors who are actually running some rather large governments already. This Geffen brouhaha is the kind of problem that will escalate and repeat into the summer exposing to the American people the liabilities of any particular candidate. By then, when American’s start to get serious about the next President and they have a better insight about Iraq and the surge, Iran, etc they’ll see that these Senatorial types come up short and will start looking at other candidates. Look for each party to select an incumbent governor or a retired lawmaker (like Edwards or Gore) to lead their party in 08. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65108Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:49:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65108Lewis Alex Cincinnati, OhioMs. Rosin is apparantly falling all over herself to protect Hillary Clinton. Does she really think that we are so dumb that we don't realize that Mr. Geffen's comments have nothing to do with Senator Obama. Senator Obama HAD to respond once the Clinton Campaign called him out. They knew this and Ms. Rosin knows this, which why the Clinton Campaign did it. Ms. Rosin shame on you! Obama Campaign: No need to apologize for my remarks, I'm my own man.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65111Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:50:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65111Jeff, Detroit. MichiganFor an industry that is so ruthlessly hated with intensity of 10000 supernovas, it's amazing that Hollywood stays in business. Plus, if the nation hates NY and CA as much Hillary Rosen says they do, the last thing DEMs would want is a candidate from one of those states. FACT: No DEM from the Northeast or CA can be president, ever again. It's an absolute scientific FACT. Deal with it and move on.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65113Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:50:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65113Travis, Kansas City, Missouriummmm well us hicks in missouri do happen to know who geffen is as well as all the big players... please dont patronize us when you are clueless to your own statements. this blurb isn't so much for hillary or obama, i am just rooting for anyone other than a bush or clinton to run the united states.....http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65114Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:51:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65114Kathy Roul, Essex Jct., VtHillary came across as thin-skinned and hyper-sensitive to the kind of remark she herself makes. She needs at all costs to avoid appearing shrill; it would be hard, on the other hand, for Barack Obama to seem shrill. David Geffen contributed to Barack Obama's campaign, but he is not a campaign official, and Obama is not responsible for what he says. On the other hand Hillary's campaign people have attacked Obama for attacking her. I'm afraid she sounds like the unpleasant monarch of Alice in Wonderland saying, "Off with his head outside; I am the Queen!" http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65115Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:51:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65115Jim Cummins, Silver Spring, MarylandThe Hillary Clinton campaign, in its response to David Geffen's interview, has taken a page from the campaign book of Carl Rove. Was anyone else reminded of the swift boat campaign against John Kerry? Before this flap, I was undecided about who to support in this nomination battle. I still am. But one thing now is certain. It won't be Hillary Clinton! To attack Barak Obama for comments made by one of his supporters and contributors is more than absurd. It smacks of desperation, it is dishonest and it is petty. I have had enough of such politics under the Bush banner. I don't need more of it under Hillary Clinton's.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65118Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:53:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65118Cary, BostonBravo, Mike! I, too, think that if a Hollywood type is calling someone out as a liar, I must remember his fortunate frame of reference and wealth of experience.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65119Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:53:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65119C A, Tuscaloosa, AlabamaColleen In Chicago: I agree with everything you said except one thing. That "Hillary cannot win because of her husband's past actions". In fact, Hillary is not electable in spite of her husband. Hillary is not electable because too many see her as aloof, cold and calculating. Now if Bill was running again he would win hands down, in spite of Hillary. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65120Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:53:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65120Don D, Binghamton, NYI live in New York and vote 99% Democratic, but I can't vote for Hillary to be President. David Geffen is right; Hillary is far too polarizing a figure. Electing her would surely lead to Congressional gridlock, at a time when America needs action. Any Democrat but Hillary...http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65124Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:55:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65124Dean H., Ventura, CAWell, I think Geffen hit a nerve.... Hillary has huge problems and I want only one thing, to win the White House for the Dems. It seems as soon as the chance to win the White House happens, extremist candidates like Hillary jump to the fore front to claim they represent the mainstream. And she is now on a scorch earthpolicy to knock out everyone else. We will lose if she wins the primary. Hillary won a beauty contest in New York( and probably could have won in California if she wanted to). She has no experience except she knows Bill. Her belief in the war is just crazy and it is no nothings like Hillary that let the war happen. As someone who has served 2 tours in Vietnam, war is real and not some video game. This is not what we need. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65127Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:55:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65127ppatricia woodWhat has what Bill did got to do with Hillary? That is like saying if your husband raped or murdured someone, that it is YOUR FAULT. I also would have you ask all the women and children in New York if they will vote for her or not. I bet more will than don't. She did a lot for them. Ask any senator or congressman, even a republican and they will tell you the same thing.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65129Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:56:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65129Michele Stern, Simi Valley, CAMr. Geffin just said what happens to be on everyone's mind regarding Hillary Clinton. He was brave enough to say it. Also, the comments made by the Hillary camp make them out to be engaging in negative politics. They are trying to attack obama for statements made by someone else. This is still a free country where people can express their opinion. And that is exactly what david Geffin did. There is an old saying," If you can't stand the heat, get out of the frying pan". It is an impression that Hillary doesn't like to get burn.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65132Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:57:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65132David Schoen, Los Angeles, Ca.I am disappointed with both candidates. Hilary for her stiff formality and her lack of openess re. her vote for the Iraq war ("THE worst foreign policy error in the history of the country"). I think everyone would extend her a great deal of understanding if she would simply state that she was misled by this administration challenging anyone with a differing view as being unpatriotic. An administration that lied, misrepresented, cherrypicked, distorted any and all information. Many honourable patriots, including Ms. Clinton, were fooled into supporting this very great tragedy. I suspect that Mr. Obama might have been fooled as well. Mr. Obama remains a knight in shining armor because he so generalizes his message of hope, that one likes him immediately without really knowing him. He is, at present a much more compelling speaker than Ms. Clinton.I believe that Hilary would do more for Universal Health Care than anyone else, and that her solid political experience is helpful. I understand that Hilary is trying to pierce Mr. Obama's teflon shield, and I'm sure that Obama exults in a former prominent Clinton supporter go public. I would rather see their policy differences aired publically than political sniping. I want to see debates on Universal Health Care, Education, Foreign Policy and other urgent issues. I can't help but think about the nearly trillion dollar expenditure in the Iraqi Holocaust, and what a difference this money would make in treating Poverty, Housing, Health Care, and Education. And those deaths........http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65135Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:00:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65135Jim, ChicagoObama will be hurt by this for the reasons Don Peake gave above--a lot of Democrats hoped he stood for what he claimed, a politics of hope and not of personal attacks. He's talked a good game about "new politics" but when he allows or seems to approve of the kind of personal hits Geffen made against both Clintons, he is seen as just another pol and no "bright articulate and clean" new candidate at all.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65138Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:01:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65138ColinHilary Rosen = Clinton sycophant. Mr. Geffen's comments about the Clinton's are those of a private individual free to give money to whomever. Certainly the Clinton camp wasn't complaining when Mr. Geffen was providing them money in the years past (and letting him sleep in the Lincoln bedroom). http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65141Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:02:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65141Toni Healy, CaliforniaI am offended that the Clinton campaign is misrepresenting that David Geffen is an operative for the Obama campaign. He is just a supporter. Hillary represents Democratic power politics at its worst. Obama represents hope for the future. I hope he doesn't take the bait on this vicious and fraudulent attack by the Clinton campaign. Someone needs to expose it as just that. False and vicious. It is Hillary who is playing slash and burn politics, not Obama. I believe she will be hurt in the end.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65142Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:02:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65142Phil Robinson, Lake Forest, CAI have read all the "President Obama" threads. Can anybody tell me where he stands on anything? How will he keep Iran under control? How will he keep N. Korea under control? What about Russia providing Nuclear technolgy to Iran? How will he face the fact that Islamic Facists want to kill us all when he himself is a Muslim? Where does he stand on economic policies? All of the posts above blindly follow this man without knowing anyting about where he stands. As an Independent voter who might actually vote for Obama need to know alot more. As far as Geffen is concerned he will always back a far left wing candidate as possible, just like all Hollyweird does. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65144Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:02:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65144Jose, Fort Worth, Texas Mrs. Clinton is looking for a reason to tarnish Mr. Obama image and to lose some Hollywood support is a big loss to any candidate. Lets face it Hollywood can be very influential. Does Mr. Geffen hurt Mr. Obama as this article states, I think not, Mr. Obama is not responsible for what every donor is stating. Mr. Geffen was a bit blunt, we may never know why he made these statements, but he was very close to the Clinton's and may have more insight to them than most of us. I believe his statements would have been taken with a grain of salt, until Mrs. Clinton made this a issue so the press just ran with it. I am bi-partisan moderate Mr. Obama is the only candidate that can lure voters like myself. I too was raised in Hawaii about the same time Mr. Obama lived there, I am about the same age as Mr. Obama. I look forward to support someone that sees the dire need for change in American politics and understands multiculturalism. Hawaii is a melting pot of ethnic backgrounds and is a good example of how people of all ethnic backgrounds can get along. I wish I could raise my kids in Hawaii, its a great atmosphere to raise a family, very family orientated and it teaches you family values and how to get along with everyone. Mr. Obama is getting labeled as a rock star. I think that what people see in him is political change, someone who honestly knows that grass roots change is possible. Someone who listens to all sides of the argument than makes a decision. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65145Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:03:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65145Crenky, NYColleen, well spoken.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65148Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:04:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65148George Kaplan, New York, New YorkWell Hilary Rosen at least we know that you are backing Mrs. Clinton. Obama is not going to be hurt by Geffen and as more and more of the truth surfaces regarding the politics of Mrs. Clinton the more the Democrats are going to realize that she can not win. I love how she was for the war, even voted for it but now grandstands that she was given false information from the Bush Administration. Meanwhile during her husband's presidency both Hilary and Bill were taped on numerous occasions claiming there are wmd's in Iraq and that Iraq poses an immediate threat to the US. The Democrats that are tired of following the same old horse that is a part of the problem will see the light and vote for Obama.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65149Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:04:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65149Maggi, W Warwick , RII am a women who has voted for a democratic president for the last 28 years. I think it is the right time for a women or an african american president, however I cannot in good conscience vote for Hillary Clinton. If she gets the nomination I will for the 1st time in my life vote republican.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65158Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:07:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65158Luke, DenverWe're sick of the status quo. Hillary Clinton represents the status quo and Hilary Rosen hasn't figured out that we, the people, want drastic change. Too bad for her.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65162Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:09:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65162TD, OhioI'm going to get boogers on my keyboard pulling my finger out of my nose to type, but this mid-west person can't figure out why Hillary attacked Obama because someone else said something mean. What's she going to do when the republicans start in? Blame Gore?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65169Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:11:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65169C A, Tuscaloosa, AlabamaHere is your winning ticket, hands down. Obama as President and Bill Richardson as Vice President. Obama takes care of the domestic issues and sends Bill Richardson across the world to regain our respect in the world. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65171Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:11:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65171Kathleen AndersonIf the Dems can learn only one lesson, I would love to see them stop the sniping at one another. Stick to the issues and tell us what they're going to do to set this nation back on solid ground both internally and internationally. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65174Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:13:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65174Yvonne, Charlotte, NCYou're right: Geffen doesn't hurt Hillary; Howard Wolfson's sleazy, Bush-like campaign tactics hurt Hillary. It makes her look desperate and petty. Chill, Hill!!! http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65175Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:14:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65175Stephanie, Houston, TXThere's no need for me to type what I have to say: Just go back and re-read the second comment from "Colleen, Chicago IL" - that's sums up what I would say perfectly.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65179Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:16:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65179Michael Kossart, Los Angeles CALord, I am so tired of people... Look, One Politics is always about being polorized... We actually all have very different views with each other, and when people say Hill can't win because she has to much baggage is crazy. Does anyone even look at past elections... Who wins? The person who most POLORIZED the election (Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush) No one wins by not embolding voters. And the point of Geffin is this - anyone that knows him from Hollywood knows exactly the Type A personalality he is... Anyone see swimming with Sharks, he is a very vindictive person to anyone who cross's him... And being rich doesn't give you the right to speak your opinion and it mean that its right.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65181Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:16:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65181K - MichiganDoesn't everyone realize that the Republicans are licking their lips everytime they think about Hilary winning the Democratic nomination. They would love to run against her! If she's getting this upset about what David Geffen said (which probably isn't too far off the mark) just imagine how the GOP will make her look when they pull out their meat hooks.God only knows what kind of dirt the Republicans have on Hilary. Trust me, if she gets the nomination, the entire planet will hear all about it. Secondly, anyone who thinks they can call the Democratic Parties nominee today is like trying to predict who the Superbowl Champion will be in 2009. You might have a guess, but so many things can happen between now and then its impossible to know for sure.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65183Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:16:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65183Gary Denton, La Porte, TXHoward Wolfson, Hillary Clinton's communications director, demonstrates the mud-slinging, fact free nature of her campaign. Why would he refer to David Geffen as Barack Obama's "campaign finance chair" when Geffen has no role in the campaign? Only to sling mud at Obama without regard to the facts.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65186Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:17:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65186Roberto, Tampa, FL. The Clinton campaign, and their supporters, Ms. Rosen included, look a bit desperate. They have seen how Obama's campaign is starting to take over the heart, minds and wallets of a big number of Americans and they are using the comments of a PRIVATE CITIZEN to attack Obama. I'm starting to think Hillary felt this race was hers from the start... but Obama is the one that is really shinning so far. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65189Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:18:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65189Michael Kossart, Los Angeles CAPeople are nuts on here... Life long Democrats are saying that they will vote for Republican is the nominee... are you kidding me... when people write stuff like that - I thank god that the interent isn't the true reflection of the world... People wake up... don't make silly threats like I rather have Mitt Romeny than Hillary Clinton... Just Nuts...http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65190Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:19:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65190Cole JonesThis blog proves Geffen's point: Hillary is a polarizing figure. I second the remarks made by CA in Tuscaloosa and generally agree with Travis in KC (but I would vote for Bill if it were possible for him to run for a third term).http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65197Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:22:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65197Patric C Orange County CALIFORNIALOL, if Hillary and her folks take such umbrage regarding Geffens comments/opinions..and go so far afield to demand Obama distance and rebuke and refund and etc...Just how are they EVER gonna' be able to handle what the GOPerited righties have planned for her should she actually get the nomination? The Hillary camp should be far more worried that the GOPs actually rather SUPPORT her nomination for they figure will be a BGTIME EASY to motivate their core base to vote for ANYONE other than her and wonk hard and furiously to make sure she is defeated !!!!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65201Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:25:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65201 Patricia WoodWhat has Hilary done to all of you and what has Obama done for you? http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65205Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:27:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65205Ricardo in California Phil in Lake Forest, CA ..Obama is a christian not a muslim. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65213Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:29:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65213Matthew Keane, Washington DCThe Clinton Campaign has responded to accusations of lying with more lies about Geffen's status within the the Obama campaign. Also, those of us from the midwest are well aware of who Geffen is and the industry he represents. Is is just this kind of coastal arrogance that has cost the Democratic party the last two presidential elections. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65218Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:30:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65218eric, Fort Wayne, INMy big problem with Hillary is the fact that, if she didn't have the brass to divorce Bill after all that he did to her, in front of the world, how can she lead the greatest nation? People are laughing at her for staying in the marriage just for political reasons.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65225Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:35:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65225Colleen, Chicago ILPhil of Lake Forest, CA- if you take a second to educate yourself on Obama, you would know his policies and that he is not a Muslim. Hell, if you read a newspaper, you would know that much! There goes your theory on who knows what based on what state they live in, Ms. Rosen!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65227Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:35:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65227KT, Florida, California, Wisconsin, Iowa, Louisiana, Missouri, & TennesseeIn a separate article in today's MSNBC Politics section, titled "Clinton says she's not a big Gambler", comes the following quote: ""I never think ahead," Clinton said. "I'm like the person sitting in the dugout. I don't want to talk about it during the game."" How can anyone run for any public office anywhere in the world when they never think ahead? http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65231Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:36:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65231Kevin, Lincoln NENo doubt everyone is sick and tired of the experienced politician. At first I thought Obama would not have a chance. We cannot have another Bush like person in office. It seems these days every country hates the US. Obama seems like the natural choice of everyone running so far. If Chuck Hagel runs I would likely consider him too since he seems to have a mind of his own and is not part of the good old boys club. We need someone who can unite the country and get us back in the good graces of the world. This go it alone attitude Bush has cost this country far too much. If a vote were held today between Hillary and Obama I would vote Obama.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65235Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:37:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65235Christine, Washington, DCPhil from Lake Forest: AMEN! I am so happy to see an intelligent comment like yours on here. I feel the same way- What does this man stand for? He's against Iraq. Okay, how does he plan to get us out? I honestly don't know where he stands on a single issue other than hope. He's pro-hope. What a stunning position. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65236Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:38:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65236Della C., Brookfield, IllinoisI also agree, in part, with Colleen in Chicago, and C A, Tuscaloosa, Al. Hillary Clinton carries way too much negative baggage, I'll be voting Republican, if she is the Democatic candidate. Mr. Obama is not responsible for Mr. Geffen's statements. As things stand right now, Mr. Obama has my vote. I also agree with those who are reminding us that it is way too early to have to listen to campaign rhetoric. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65240Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:39:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65240John, Portlandthe one guy in hollywood who speaks the truth gets trashed? does anybody think what he said is not true? it is a harmless accusation anyway, the dems who will settle this already have their mind made ubout what kind of person she is. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65241Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:41:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65241ViolaI believe that it is time for change. I am 61 years old,and I think that it is time to remove some of those OLD Cronies out off office they have spend enough of my hard earned tax monies we need new people and new ideas this country need a change. Let the younger generation have a say in things these old ideas and old habits are what is wrong with this country. There are to many WAR LOVERS in control. Let peace prevail http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65247Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:43:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65247James ThomasHilary is obvious carrying water for Hillary. This is not the first time I've seen her go to bat for Ms. Clinton in a way that seems inapproriate for a so called neutral party. If she is a Clintonite she should just say so and let her agenda be known.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65251Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:44:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65251Tom Madsen, Gresham, WIReally, isn't this much ado about nothing. The first primary/caucus is almost a year away. As much as I love presidential politics, even this is too much too early. Let's (the pundits and the fans) give it a break. In regard to the best ticket, Obama-Clark. Let's put Bill Richardson where he truly belongs, the State Department. He would be a terrific Secretary of State! http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65258Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:48:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65258Daniel, Columbus, OHToo much talk against Hillary; and strange, coming from democrats, women, and hometown folks. We'll need to get over this and ask Obama and Clinton to refrain from going against each other (they would make a great team together)and work on emphasizing each other's qualities; enough that we have the republicans against us, and a lot of people would still vote for anybody that isn't black or a woman, regardles of anything else. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65259Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:48:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65259S S, Minneapolis, MNCoarsening American culture? No, Ms. Rosen, what coarsens American culture is when you have immoral, unethical, incompent men elected as President and then defended by DC pundits who don't know what middle America values but yet continues to claim they do. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65260Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:49:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65260Mo MaraLooks like only the last name change from Hillary C to Hilary R. How come David G was a good guy when he gave the Clinton's help in the past. Pour it on Mr. Geffen. We must start calling things the way they are. If you want to see what happens when we give politicians a past just look at the mess in Iraq.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65263Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:50:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65263Brad, Grand Rapids, MichiganI was born in Michigan and raised just outside of NYC, yes the pizza in the midwest sucks.....however there is no lack of IQ, education or for that matter Hollywood stars (Jeff Daniels for one) that live in the pathetic area between NY and LA. Those of you who think that this is a wasteland are self absorbed followers of all things Paris Hilton and the like. I love NYC and Seattle and the little farm towns across our nation that feed you morons born and raised on the coasts and never spent any time living in the heartland. If you think that for any reason you are better than the farmers that feed you, try going without that midwestern food for a few days. As far as Hollywood and politics, that is simply an avenue for well heeled well funded folks to try and make a difference in the most screwed up world at the most screwed up time time since my birth (1962) far as I'm concerned God bless em, they do more than most Americans to change this quagmire we are in. Most yes most Americans don't vote in local elections and the turnout is not much better at most national elections. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE if you don't vote don't talk about politics....periodhttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65265Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:51:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65265J. C. Wilson, MarylandHow interesting is it that Ms. Rosen failed to mention anything about the comments made by that South Carolina State Senator, who stated that because Senator Obama is "Black" if elected will hurt the Democratic party. Now, the Clinton's true color comes out!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65270Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:54:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65270E.P. Mayield Hts. OhioHilary Rosen insulted every one outside of Cal. & N.Y. I live in a suburb of Cleveland and know of Gefen. None of this bickering makes a difference. Senator Clinton's supporter insulted a lot of people complaining about what a Senator Obama supporter said.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65273Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:55:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65273Karen PorterI think Hillary's the one who's hurting herself. I didn't see this so much before, but she's looking very hateful going after Obama, who comes off as very nice and squeaky-clean, idealistic, etc. She comes off looking shrewish and just plain mean in all this - if she keeps this up, she'll lose. Hilary Rosen is NOT a disinterested party here - she's working for Hillary Clinton. You need another blogger who's less biased here.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65276Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:58:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65276SamI wonder if in retaliation the Clinton camp will out David Geffen to the rest of America (i.e. all that stuff between New York and California), perhaps even reveal that Geffen is allegedly in a relationship with a handsome 40-ish brown-haired, very closeted movie star. It is not beyond Hillary Clinton to turn on her gay constituents when it suits her ambition and use their sexuality as a way to demonize them. Of course, the big joke on Geffen is that neither Hillary or Barak Obama supports gay marriage. Kind of ironic that the woman and the black guy both think that civil unions are enough, that "seperate but equal" is actually equal. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65279Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:58:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65279Pete Leary Newport ,Rhode IslandHillary Clinton? Never in my lifetime! An opportunist and a snake in the grass whose time has come and gone!The Republicans are salivating at the thought of her getting the nomination.The Dems in the end won't nominate her as it is sure to lead to defeat in 2008! http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65283Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:00:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65283Sam, Cleveland, OhioI wonder if in retaliation the Clinton camp will out David Geffen to the rest of America (i.e. all that stuff between New York and California), perhaps even reveal that Geffen is allegedly in a relationship with a handsome 40-ish brown-haired, very closeted movie star. It is not beyond Hillary Clinton to turn on her gay constituents when it suits her ambition and use their sexuality as a way to demonize them. Of course, the big joke on Geffen is that neither Hillary or Barak Obama supports gay marriage. Kind of ironic that the woman and the black guy both think that civil unions are enough, that "seperate but equal" is actually equal. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65285Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:00:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65285Dawn, Ventura, CAUnfortunately, this country is no more ready for a woman president than it is for an African-American president. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65286Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:00:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65286peter leary newport , RIHillary Clinton is a VIPER and polarizing so as not to be electable! A hideous human being who carpetbagged gullible New Yorkers!Who in their right mind would consider her as presidential timber?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65289Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:02:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65289Jake, Indianapolis, INBarack Obama is my homeboy!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65290Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:03:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65290Rory McDerman, Wheaton, II Hillary can win the nomination, but wont win the preidential election. Obama is the next Bobby kennedy we lost in 68, he can truely turn this country around! would love an Obama Richardson ticket!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65293Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:05:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65293BK, Chicago, ILCan i just ask a simple question: Why is Obama referred to as 'African-American'? Wasn't his mother a white woman from Kansas? Wasn't his mother the one who raised him (not his dad)? http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65295Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:06:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65295Rory McDerman, Wheaton, II Hillary can win the nomination, but wont win the preidential election. Obama is the next Bobby kennedy we lost in 68, he can truely turn this country around! would love an Obama Richardson ticket!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65300Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:08:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65300Art, Santa Cruz, CAThis is ridiculous. If this is what passes for a "personal attack" we are doomed. This is a NON-ISSUE. What is the Clinton camp hiding?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65301Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:09:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65301Steve O. Sinclair - New York, New York Who better to criticize Mrs. Clinton than someone who knows her and supported her husband in the past? I think both women, Ms. Rosen and Mrs. Clinton, doth protest too much. Mr. Geffen, to any astute follower of the national political scene, has only said openly what others have whispered. At this point in time, this is much to do about nothing. Geffen paid his $2,300.00; let him say whatever he wants, the voters will decide. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65313Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:15:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65313Richard, Dallas, TexasJust to throw a different name and thought on the fire. #1, yes as a Democrat that goes way back to working in Bobby Kennedy campaign in 68 I am worried that Hillary might be polarizing and unelectable in general (depends on who opponent and who is on ticket in part) #2, Obama is bright new talent no doubt and maybe the near future, certainly the future. I am still awaiting some substance and some position papers, #3. Lets not forget Mr. John Edwards. Check out his polling data against all major GOP opponents in a general election, check out his favorable/unfavorables and may I remind all he has actually ISSUED some substantive policy statements AND said he made a mistake on the IRAQ vote and apologized for that error!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65315Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:17:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65315Walter Woronowicz, South River , New JerseyThe worst thing that the democrats can do to themselves is to forget that while winning the primary is important but only to lose the general makes their campaigns a pointless exercise.A negative campaign against any democratic candidate will impact their chances in the general.The smart thing to do is to keep the campaign focused on the issues and not on fellow democrats.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65317Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:18:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65317james O'HaraYes... this was Hillary's double "Sister Solja" moment. She endeared herself to the mainstream by bashing Hollywood and the minorty candidate. Now when it comes time to pick a running mate she will have an excuse not to pick Obama. She is Brilliant.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65318Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:18:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65318Cliff, Plainfield, ILAs a staunch Republican who lives within 40 miles of Chicago in a farm town (Hi Colleen, take a trip outside down I-55 some time and expand your horizons!), I could tolerate Obama far more than Hillary. While I fundamentally disagree with him, I respect the fact that he stands for something and is true to his beliefs. He also has a "sense of class" that is sorely missing in DC. I hope that his presence elevates the campaign past the usual mudslinging, "gotcha" type of politics that reduces our choices to simple sound-byte politicians that manage to offend no one for a period of 12-18 months prior to an election. Ms. Rosen, your comment about Republicans standing for tax cuts for the rich is the same kind of stereotype that my party uses to portray Democrats as "weak on terror", etc. Could you please stop it and talk about the issues? It's hard to listen to your point after you spew that type of invective. Thanks, Cliffhttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65465Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:19:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65465Karen, PortlandI wouldn't bother to comment about the name-calling of Geffen and, in particular, Howard Wolfson, but Ms. Rosen's distorted view of Americans is beyond dumb. Could someone at MSNBC (Keith, are you available?) explain to her, Chris Matthews, and anyone else who demonstrates ignorance of everyday Americans, that intelligent, informed, thoughtful people populate every part of this country. And I've known of David Geffen since the early Seventies. Get real.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65467Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:20:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65467Brian, Dutchess County NYMany New Yorkers and I am one of them, have a different perspective on the 2008 presidential race. Those of us on the Democratic side were putting down bets on which of the two New Yorkers will be the first to reveal their TRUE COLORS former Mayor Rudy Giuliani (my bet) or Senator Hillary Clinton. Well I lost and it’s still February of 2007. Seriously, folks our list of Presidents should not read Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Clinton. America is NOT a banana republic, or a constitutional monarchy – we are a democratic republic with 300 million people. Surely, there is sufficient leadership talent around to make a fresh start. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65468Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:20:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65468RockWhat an unbelievable short-sighted and misguided "commentary" this was. It doesn't seem Ms. Rosen has any grasp of political reality at all. Hillary Clinton's potential weakness as a candidate was her husband's past pecadillos, her current and his past campaign's thuggery and her coming off as a "shrew". Mission accomplishe on all three - a full 21 months before the election!!!!! Way to look Presidential Hill! How could any 'hardblogger' think that this looked good for Hillary - the same campaign that threatened Hollywood recently with "you're either for us or against us". What kind of liberal tent is MSNBC fronting here? It's disgraceful.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65469Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:21:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65469Ken Morris, Harrisburg PAI agree 100% with Colleen in Chicago. Also, I'm sick of hearing people say Barak Obama is too young and doesn't have enough experience. I look at Bush and the nightmares he's created for the US, and supposedly he had experience-LOL, yea right. See what I mean. I think it's time for someone who is a bit of an outsider, someone young, intelligent, someone who is not affraid to dream of how great this country was and can be once again. If you listen to Barak Obama speak, you will know you are listening to someone with unlimited possibilities for positive change. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65470Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:21:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65470Lanny Ms.The idea of staying with Bill after what he got caught doing is distasteful. Hillary hsa no backbone and lacks the energy to distance herself from all the shame Bill brought on her and himself. You got it right Eric in In.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65474Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:23:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65474Frank, Omaha, Ne (flyover country!)Again, you people are losing focus. It's not Democrats vs. Republicans. It's the people vs. the corporations - Educate yourself on the issues and you should vote for the person not the party. We need to wake up and see how the country can be changed for the better and which candidate - from any party - will serve our interests. We all know the mudslinging will go on - choose not to participate. Force your representatives to answer the tough questions and hold them accountable for their actions. Request information - publish it yourself - get the word out... The only way we are going to make this country great is to take it back - from the corporations. The media in this country is biased - it's corporate owned- it needs sensationalism to generate revenue and profits. There are alternatives - find them and use them. Americans need to stop blaming the Bushes or the Clintons - look behind the curtain and see who is really running the show. The Fed, other banks (giant corporations) and huge, multi-national corporations get paid no matter who is in control. They love to see us fighting among ourselves, oblivious to the truth. Consume less, save more (not in banks!), reduce, reuse, recycle! Wake up! Wake up!! Wake up!!! http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65475Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:23:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65475Colleen, Chicago IL"Can i just ask a simple question: Why is Obama referred to as 'African-American'? Wasn't his mother a white woman from Kansas? Wasn't his mother the one who raised him (not his dad)? " BECAUSE HIS SKIN IS BLACK. ARE YOU CONSIDERED CAUCASIAN? ARE YOU FROM THE CAUCASUS? WHAT A CRAZY THING TO SAY! Cliff-Sorry that I missed Plainfield as being within 40 miles of the city and being a farming community (which, for the most part, it is not. It is a regular old suburb and the people work regular old jobs, got fam there). You are right, you are .5 miles within the forty from downtown. Just about as far as you can be and still be within forty miles. One more note worth mentioning- how come when Bush and McCain were gearing up for their primary, the mud flung from the Bush camp towards McCain was less publicized than this story about an Obama supporter- not Obama staff? Just a question.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65496Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:33:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65496norb bauer jackson, michiganHey, what about Tipper Gore when she testified about the recording industry and wanted it regulated. Just the other day I saw her husband do a introduction at the Grammy awards. He's also up for a acadamy award for his film. What's wrong with this pitcture anyway? Maybe that's why Geffen back Obama. Cause he tells it like it is. Nice to hear some straight talk for a change. It's been a long time coming. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65500Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:34:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65500Jonathan, Lexington, Kentuckydavid geffen is a musical entrpeneuer with few ventures into hollywood. hollywood is movies and tv not music. so mrs. rosen why dont get the first "fact" correct before you go on telling others. you media people are all the same. youll say anything as long as someone reads or watches it and unfortunatley i just fell into that trap. i dont know how you all sleep at night knowing that tomorrow youll attempt to destroy another human beings life.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65501Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:35:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65501Ron, Raleigh, NCGeffen was completely right on. I had torn up Obama's fund-raising letter before this dust-up because I planned simply to support the eventual nominee whoever it is, but after Hillary manager Wolfson's performance on Hardball (what an arrogant bottom-feeder), I'm getting out the checkbook for Obama and getting active in the primary fight. I've had all the weathervane politicians I can stomach and Hillary's the Queeen of the genre. Her 15 minutes should have been over long ago. Like McCain and his whoring for the Creationists at the discovery Institute, Hillary will do anything to serve her ambition. She can't be trusted. She's not right for the party or the country. If we're going to put up a woman I'd rather it be Boxer. She's 180 from me on a lot of things, but I know what she believes and I know she believes it, and unlike Hillary, who nobody elected to anything before she moved to New York, Boxer has earned a shot at the the top.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65508Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:39:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65508GC, Manchester, NHAccording to an article on today's TIME.com, Ms. Rosen is a Hillary Clinton supporter, although she certainly doesn't disclose that anywhere in this anti-Obama post. Well, I'll disclose that I'm an Obama supporter, so what a surprise she thinks Obama is making mistakes. Are there any ethics at all in political blogging?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65519Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:44:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65519Mike, Harrisburg, PAI firmly believe that the Obama-Clinton division has been cleverly staged to make voters say, "Republican who?" It doesn't matter what is being said about either, (see ex-president Clinton in '96), just so long as no republican name is mentioned. Democrats will come together, when they have eventually numbed, or, is it dumbed, the minds of America to anyone else in the presidential race. That is why it has started so early. Oh, and by the way, conservative, and mostly Republican supporting talk radio show hosts have already eagerly taken the bate. Witness how many times you heard Shawn Hannity talk of "Speaker of the house, Nancy Pelosi" prior to November's election.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65540Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:54:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65540Mark Royse, Columbia, Ky.I don't see how picking on Obama helps her. I'm a republican, but would vote for him if my party isn't smart enough to give their nomination to the real New Yorker.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65542Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:55:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65542Ken, ChicagoCan any politician really be as thin-skinned as Hillary Clinton is acting regarding the comments that David Geffen made? As is his right as an American citizen,he was stating his opinion, not Obama's. Not one of these opinions was new - every political analyst in the media suggests that she is a polarizing candidate; I don't think anyone who has observed her career could question her ambition and as for Bill Clinton being able to lie with frightening ease, he was impeached for lying under oath. Surely Senator Clinton must be able to stand such comments. These were not some unfounded, scurrilous rumors being planted with the press. I can't imagine that she won't have to endure far worse comments and opinions from all sides as the campaign continues. This whole incedent seems like a complete non-issue. She should either grow up or get out of the race. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65543Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:55:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65543tony sacco, cape charles, virginiai'm a dem. all my 80 y/o life, if hillary run for pres. i vote rep. tony saccohttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65545Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:57:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65545A. AsheHillary is just getting a taste of her own medicine. Americans are looking for a candidate who can bring people together. Unfortunately, Sen. Clinton is just as polarizing and divisive as the current Oval Office-occupant. Plus, we're looking for someone outside the Bush-Clinton family.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65554Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:02:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65554Ellen Clark, Leawood, KSAs a woman who has voted basically Democratic for over 40 years, if Hillary wins the nomination, I will have to vote Republican. How the polls could show that she has a chance of winning is beyond my comprehension. The Democrat party should have an easy race if they don't run the incorrect candidates. The only logical matchup is Edwards with Obama as his vp. Now that would be a winner!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65558Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:06:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65558SteveHollywood does not have a foot in the land of reality so it is not surprising that they put themselves on the seemingly wrong side of the fence. For the most part hollywood has almost no effect on social norms. It only shows a reflection of what the political left would like the world to look like. Hollywood is not even real and actualy does not exist, but it gives people something to complain about and place blame on so that they can explain their own depraved ways of thinking and living. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65565Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:07:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65565Matthew Sklar - Los Angeles, CA"As usual Clinton Inc. spin goes into high gear. What Hilary Rosen and the rest of the Clinton apologists don't want to hear is that what "Media Mogul" Geffen has hit the nail on the head. What he said DOES resonate in flyover country and it scares the hell out of the Clintonistas to hear him say it." Clinton Apologists? What exactly do the Clintons have to apologize for? Whitewater? Oh yeah, that amounted to nothing. Marital problems? Oh yeah, that's their own personal business. Peace and prosperity under Bill Clinton? Guilty as charged. The only people who think the Clintons need apologists are Republicans in high tax brackets who were force to pay something close to their fair share of taxes for eight years.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65566Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:08:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65566Don, Abingdon, ILAfter reading the dozens of downright venomous anti-Clinton posts here, I have to doubt the claims by so many of being "life-long Democrats". I just don't think they're telling the truth. I suspect a lot of Republicans are trolling in this discussion and find it useful to trash Mrs. Clinton under false colors. Where are the 60% or so of Democrats who strongly support Senator Clinton and the 70% or more who strongly admire, even love, the former President? No, this incredible piling on against the Clintons is not to be trusted. I think, frankly, a lot of you are not who you claim to be. I am a supporter of Sen Obama so far, but I will not stand quietly and let an important leader in our party be trashed by fake "democrats." Lay off, and try explaining why you would prefer a Guiliani, a Romney, a Gingrich, or a McCain to Mrs. Clinton. Yeah, right.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65569Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:09:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65569Joe, Los Angeles, CASimply put----The Clinton ship is sinking and the Democrats life boats all read SS Obamahttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65571Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:09:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65571Republican, Columbus, OHOn behalf of my grandpa, a disgruntled Democrat, the party needs to stay united despite running against each other in primary elections. Lack of cohesiveness kept any strategy employed from working in the past several years. Democrats only cleaned up in 2006 because the Republican party screwed up so bad. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65573Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:09:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65573Steve, Camden, SCI think Mr. Geffen probably knows the Clintons well, so he has the right to his opinion. Remember, Bill Clinton is NOT on the ballot, and there is a HUGE difference between being a "leader"(Bill) and a "manipulator"(Hillary). Obama seems more like a "leader."http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65576Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:11:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65576Tim Banzhof, San Diego, CARegardless of your position on the comments made by Geffen or the back and forth between the Clinton and Obama campaigns I find the obvious bias of Hilary Rosen irritating and counter productive to good debate. This isn't pro wrestling were you say things for the drama or to get people going. This is supposed to be a serious political forum for people who care about their country. I think any MSNBC blogger should have the integrity to announce their (in this case obvious) loyalties before launching into such a one sided debate. The NY/LA stuff was not really valid either. People paying attention this early on know who these people are. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65584Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:13:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65584Phil, Lake Forest, CaMy mistake to all of you. It was reported on T.V. that he was Muslim (I wish I could remember the station) as far a insulting my brain capacity I do now this about Obama...He went to a very prestidgious school in Honolulu (punahou), His mom was white and his dad black. He played basketball for the school and spent time in his youth being raised by grandparents. He also lived in Indonesia or Thailand as a young boy before returing to Hawaii. So sorry again to all about the religion mistake but I have done so research on Obama. Can anyone tell me what demonination of Christianity he belong to? P.S. I stand by all my other comments regarding his positions or lack thereof.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65587Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:14:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65587Rich, Mansfield, ConnecticutMs. Rosen, you're just another Washington insider who doesn't get it. Hillary's campaign is the last gasp of Clintonism--Washington insiders using the Democratic Party as their vehicle for power, without caring about any ideas deeply, so you fit Hillary's mold. But I can tell you from ground level that Geffen looks like a hero for saying out loud what most rank-and-file non-professional Democrats think of the Clintons, and Hillary is unquestionably the loser here. And, of course, you now look like a loser too for being so clueless...http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65592Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:17:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65592terry Dallas texasHillary Rosen please quit drinking the Clinton cool aide. Geffin didn't attack the Clintons. He just choose to give his money to his new choice of candidate because of the past history of behavior of both Clintons durring Bills second term. He spoke the truth as he saw it. There was no name calling in his comments. Hillary on the other hand started the attack on Obama as if he stole the donation from Hillary and made Geffin say what he did. When my children were young and blamed others for their bad decisions I would explain to them that its not everybody elses fault that you make your own choices and have to live with them. Hillary Clinton and Bill for that matter apparently were never tought that as children. Look I,m a republican [libertarian leaning] I could care less if all the Dems eat each others still beating hearts but at least Obama stands for what he stands for without following the poles and certainly so far isn't the mudslinger that both Clintons are so practiced at. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65594Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:17:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65594Paulette Clark, Simsbury, CTI believe it's been established previously how much Ms. Rosen defends Hillary -- that Geffen made these comments to Maureen Dowd, no less, is obvious that he has an ax to grind. Geffen is not employed by Mr. Obama or his campaign and what he says is between him and the Clinton's. Seems like the Clinton campaign is getting touchy and creating the hula-balou because Obama went to Hollywood. I can see Hillary Clinton stomping her feet now!! Barack should stay out of it and let it be between the Clintons and Geffen.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65595Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:18:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65595Pam, Atlanta, GAThank you, Ricardo, for clarifying Obama's religion. Phil must get his "news" from Fox.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65601Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:19:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65601Ryan NeMr Geffen attack away @ Sen Clinton, do you really think it actually hurts her? No it dosent. Maybe Rosen you should read these blogs, it obviosly has. I dont know anyone that likes to apologize for another individuals statements or actions. What on earth is she going to do when someone really attacks her and her views. You better believe when the Repulicans come out with their gloves off they will bring more than Mr. Geffens comments, how will she react then. I like Obama as a person but what his political views are all about only time will tell. Hilary Rosen I live in Nebraska I have been fully aware of Mr Geffen for quite a while now, we do have music here and movies here, its amazing how technolgy has now advanced to the midwest. What a norrow minded big city girl. I dont normally say this about comments posted here on MSNBC but there were some really good ones today, starting with Colleen. Rudy and Newt is the ticket!!!!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65619Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:28:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65619STeve Mac, Cherry Hood, NJI usually agree w/ Rosen, but she's way off on this one. Clinton/Wolfson blew this one big time. They come across as extremely thin skinned. They turned this into a story. Most people don't care about Geffen and would have written that off as a Hollywood guy spouting off. Clinton/Wolfson get two nagatives out of this: * They're starting an internal battle * They are too sensitive. They blew it.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65625Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:32:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65625blake burkettpeole,lets not forget whats ahead,as sam in cleveland alluded to,Hillary has her FBI files!!Watch for Mr. Geffens personal life to suddenly be 'leaked 'to the press at the appropriate moment.Lets not forget who we are dealing with,can you say Vince Foster!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65627Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:33:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65627MOISES CAOILEHmmmm shades of the Hillary hate campaign! Republicans must really be scared of this woman! http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65634Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:37:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65634Peter Brinkmann, Mt. Airy, MDColleen, You are so right on, and Hillary, by overreacting to basically nothing made this into a longer story than it ever would have been otherwise. Margaret Carlson said on the tube last evening, we know Hillary can be tough, but can she be human. And another talking head said, Hillary's last name may be Clinton, but she has the Rodham charm. I think Al Gore is waiting in the wings, and if he can be patient, well-mannered, and charming - we want a President who is uplifting and nice to listen to and look at, he could be the man. Hillary's screeching in front of large audiences is very off-putting. Peter http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65635Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:37:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65635George Kornye, Dallas, TexasToo bad Senator Leiberman is not in the mix. Although I am not a Democrat, I have observed that he epitomises: INTEGRITY, CHARACTER, & DILLIGENCE to help lead this nation on a critical path of healing as a VP with Senator McCain into a tumultuous future of promise.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65636Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:37:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65636Brendan PenneyI am a Democrat and will vote for Hillary, if I have to, but only in the general. Her vote to authorize force was either a cynical political calculation or just poor judgment on the most important issue she has faced in the Senate. Either way, she failed. Frankly, I am inclined to beleive that she made a political calculation to be a hawk for purposes of 08 -- she put her finger in the air and conviced herself that only a national security hawk would be viable in 08 and this was even more so for a woman and a Democrat. If that is the case -- its sickening and obviously makes her an unacceptable candidate. Her response that she was duped is hardly satisfactory. There were plenty of people (including myself) who were against this war not for knee jerk reasons but for very sound and obvious ones. Its not as though it was months after the war began before people realized many of the claims of the Bush Administration were bogus. I can excuse the average American for buying into the drum beat -- happens all the time -- but as a Senator she had all the information she needed to make the right decision. At this point I hope Gore runs. But, I can say this about Obama, he certainly wasnt duped by the drum beat in 2002 and there is a reason that no one will ever ask him to say he made a mistake about Iraq. Hillary put her own ambition ahead of the national interest and she should pay the price. God knows the 4th ID, 1st Armored, 1st MEF, etc has. Posted by: Brendan on February 22, 2007 05:33 PM http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65649Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:43:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65649Bart SmithWhoopee! the Democrats are just as disorganized when they control the Congress as they were when on the outside looking in. The Democrat Party is Full of contemptible self serving people, who will trample any & all principles to gain a momentary advantage. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65659Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:50:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65659Bart SmithI find it very interesting that the Clinton's haven't worn out there welcome with the Democrats yet. Don't forget all the shenanigans when Bill was President, by both Hillary & Bill.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65880Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:58:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65880Dee Dobbins, Sugar Land, TexasAs a donor, all David Geffen did was express his personal opinion. Quite frankly, I believe the subject of Senator Clinton's ability to be elected is one Democrats need to face up to squarely. There is great truth in what he said and there is also something troubling about her campaign's response. For me, the only thing Senator Obama is obliged to contribute by way of comment is a thank you for your support to Mr. Geffen.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65881Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:59:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65881jim warwick riDick Morris said it a few months ago. The clintons not only want everyone to contribute to them, they don't want them contributing to anyone else.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65883Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:00:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65883Lars, Danville CAThis Obama , Hillary thing is nonsense. A very rich man has an opinion that get's attention for all the wrong reasons and the media goes wild. Hillary has no chance, Obama has some chance and the Hillary camp is looking to pick a fight, any fight and secure some attention. I cannot imagine any democrat taking this seriously and the repulicans are laughing their butts off. Whats going to happen when a serious debate arises and the Hillary camp has no respectable reply ?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65888Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:02:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65888AlanWow! Gee, people, get a life. If this is such a big deal, go sit on your couch and have a glass of low blood pressure soda and tune in to something a little more interesting. And try not to be so hateful, ok?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65894Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:04:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65894Hillary Supporter, Mahopac, NYblah, blah, blah, this is all much ado about nothing. All you Republicans eagerly contributing to this site, get used to the sound of - President Hillary Rodham Clinton - I have no doubt that she will be our next president.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65895Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:05:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65895Jay Zee, Cincinnati OHDoes anyone here agree with Ms. Rosen? It appears now. And anyone who follows the news knows who Mr. Geffen is, even us rubes in the Midwest -- what an insulting remark.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65901Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:10:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65901Steve, SeattleYou have to remember clinton is her own worst enemy. When the gold star mothers (mothers whos sons have been killed in the war) went to visit her she refused to meet with them when every other senator approached met with them. Also look at the fact that they spend approximately 10,000 per month on a mortgage for their property in New York and thats the ammount they charge the secret service to live on their property....gotta wonder if this is the kind of family that you'd want in the white house again.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65909Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:14:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65909Mel Haigh, Asheville, NCLook at every thing ya'll are talking about. In the Senate,Clinton has only one term under her belt and Obama has two years. For once, could we look to someone who has experience. Bill Clinton had little experience and young Bush had less. I don't get this country I have lived in all my life. Bush has brought us down to such a bad state of affairs. Why can't we consider experiece. Looking at the candidates now, Bill Richardson and Rudy Guiliani are the only ones who look like they can run something. Can't we pick president who have more experience in running things. I apologize if I think that working in the Senate or The House isn't the kind of experience we need. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65916Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:20:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65916Kit Neill, LAPlease, David Geffen can say anything he wants. He had an opinion, he voiced it. Sure, he's rich and a "Hollywood player" but even so, all he did was verbalize a thought, which we are all entitled to do. Okay, talking to Maureen Dowd after a financially successful fundraiser makes a more public, but had Senator Clinton herself not bashed it, it would be yesterday's news. Oh, wait, it is yesterday's news.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65920Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:23:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65920Melody Malone, Newfield, NJSeems to me that when Maureen Dowd writes an article on polarizing politics, it's like the pot calling the kettle black. Are we Dems going to be sucked in every time a "celebrity" journalist wants to boost his/her ratings? I would much rather see our party focusing on the lies coming out of this administration on a daily basis. (FYI Ms. Rosen, you might want to stay away from categorizing people's awareness according to geographical location. Though in all fairness, it is not uncommon for Hollywood celebrities to talk about shuffle their time between the studios of California and NY. So, I am not sure that your comments were so unreasonable, but they did not materially add anything to article). http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65926Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:32:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65926Tom Gancer, St. Charles, ILHey Hardblogger - just let Colleen write this blog in the future - she makes much more sense than you. Your thoughts on this matter are not only wrong but you've just "outed" your own preference in a political showdown. Not very journalistic - or maybe bloggers aren't journalists - we dumb-ass farmers doent reelly no the deef-erence. Moreover, aren't blogging & the internet supossed to make the world smaller, so it doesn't matter if one lives in Peoria or Marietta or Walla Walla, we all see the same news & the same misinformed bloggers. My point here is that a blogger should know better than to insult everyone between NY & LA, where 95% of the country lives.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65930Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:35:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65930Macaffree, Bothell, WAI see this is a lose, lose, lose, situation. Obama loses by being associated with David Geffen's comments. Hilary loses for her less then gracious response, and the democratic party loses as the focus on real issues is lost. I want to make my choice on the strength of the candidates character and capabilities, rather then on their ability to trash the other candidates either directly, or by proxy. I want to add that I hope people that are slinging mud at the Clintons have done their own research and have not relied on the press for information. Differing views should be respected but uninformed opinion is worthless. Right now I'm interested in Richardson but Clinton should she win the nomination would definitely have my support.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65933Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:39:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65933Sally Putnam, Columbus, OhioWhat do you mean those of us not from New York or california won't know who David Geffen is? I am sorry that all of you "Washington Insiders" think that the rest of us are stupid and small minded. Anyone with a brain who pays attention to what goes on this world knows who David Geffen. To the extent that he hurts Barack Obama you are sooooo wrong! If Hillary had treated this as small potatoes I might believe you. The fact that she made a big flap out of it shows she knows she has some real competition from Barack Obama. He is a fresh voice in the vast wilderness of Washington politics!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65934Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:40:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65934Kyle, Corvallis, ORWow, this just makes me think of Dennis Kucinich spinning around with his arms raised chanting "No Strings Attached".http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65940Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:45:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65940LOU THOUARE YOU IN HILARY'S CAMP? I THINK SO.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65942Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:45:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65942Nashville, TnPhil, Lake Forest: Obama is a member of Church of Christ. As for where he stands on other positions, he has a few interesting and very good books and also if ever given the chance, listen to him speak or just wait till the debate. No doubt you will be impressed.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65957Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:57:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65957Phil OwensI'm beginning to think that Mr. Geffen is a closet republican. At this early date to start a war of words between the democrat's 2 most shining stars is nothing short of reprehensible. He obviously has some personal vendetta against Bill. Well, that's where he should have left it, PERSONAL. Truth be told, either Obama or Clinton would be a longshot to beat the republican nominee (CONSERVATIVE voters are no more likely to vote for a black liberal than they are for Bill Clinton's wife). This early bloodletting could make it impossible for either to have a sliver of a chance because both would dearly need the other's supporters in the general. Supporters who could well be too incensed to show up in November if the nominee is someone who had bludgeoned their favorite.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65961Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:00:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65961Phil Owens, Dallas, TxI'm beginning to think that Mr. Geffen is a closet republican. At this early date to start a war of words between the democrat's 2 most shining stars is nothing short of reprehensible. He obviously has some personal vendetta against Bill. Well, that's where he should have left it, PERSONAL. Truth be told, either Obama or Clinton would be a longshot to beat the republican nominee (CONSERVATIVE voters are no more likely to vote for a black liberal than they are for Bill Clinton's wife). This early bloodletting could make it impossible for either to have a sliver of a chance because both would dearly need the other's supporters in the general. Supporters who could well be too incensed to show up in November if the nominee is someone who had bludgeoned their favorite.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65966Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:04:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65966BluEnglandAfter reading all this-I think that the obvious winning ticket that would get the Democrats the vote in the election and the White House would be Gore President/ Hilary vice President in 2008. Then in 2016 when the Democrats have to pick a new candidate to run against the Republicans, they can decide then based on the 8 years of Hilary as VP, will Hilary be a good President? If not then they can turn to OBama or someone else that comes out of the woodworks in 2016. All will have more smarts and experience to make the next big step. I think that Gore is the only Democratic person that is ready to take the White House and taking the seat against anyone that the Republicans dish out to him, even Rudy Guillani. Let me ad that Rudy Guliani is almosst a shoe in after 9/11 and how he handled that and helped New York get through the most tragic incident in US history. Finally, I think that the proposed Democratic ticket has a great chance of winning-because I truly think that Bill Clinton despite his personal life, is one of the few that would have been elected to a third term if it was legally possible; and I would think that having 2 of Bill's closest allies in the White House would be closest thing to having Bill. Last, can someone tell me what they think of my proosed running partners and tell me about more potential Rebuplican runners that are up there with Guilliani. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65971Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:16:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65971DavidTax cuts are not only for the rich. I'm not rich and I got a tax cut.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65973Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:17:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65973Bruce, Pittsburgh, PaWill or can someone tell us what Obama stands for? What his platformm is and why he thinks he can be president and not have his family living in DC? He stated that ihe is afraid to have his family in DC because it is too dangerous. He is afraid for his children. That is natural but if he is to be (God forbid ) president he will have to live in DC with his family. Also he has yet to make a solid statement of what his plans are and what his platform will be. I'm not going to support a candidate that says nothing. I've not decided who to support yet but a Bush Clinton Bush Clinton history would not be a bad thing. Remember when Bill left office we had a surplus not a deficite. Bill may hav e had the morals of an alley cat (that was and is between Hillary and Bill no one else) but he was and is a smart man who was good for this country. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65978Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:24:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65978Michael GibbonsIt's hard to believe that you can sit there and say with a straight face that Hollywood donates money to the Democratic party 'against their own financial interest.' Do you honestly think we're all that stupid?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65979Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:26:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65979Bruce, Pittsburgh, PaHillary did vote for the war in the beginning and so did many of tghe people who now say it is wrong. they like Bush were given bad information and now have changed their minds. That is good and noble thing, to admit when you are wrong and start to move to correct the wrong. The Republicans still want to "stay the course" for the most part and just pulling out is not right either but Hillary and the other Democrats (along with some Republicans)recognize their error and havew the guts to admit it.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65981Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:27:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65981Bob M.It's ironic how unliberal the liberals are! Here's the qoute from a Hilary Rotten Clinton supporter said of Barack Obama: It is also ironic that Senator Clinton lavished praise on Monday and is fully willing to accept today the support of South Carolina state Sen. Robert Ford, who said if Barack Obama were to win the nomination, he would drag down the rest of the Democratic Party because 'he's black,'" Gibbs' statement said. By the way I am a republican. :)http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65982Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:28:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65982M. OvertonHow about Hilary & Obama running together and put a end to all this political drama.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65986Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:34:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65986David, Los Angeles, CAHillary is overreacting a bit on this, but I doubt it will hurt her in the long run, because this will be forgotten in a week. The thing that Rosen is wrong about is that actually this hurts no one, certainly not Obama, because no one is going to care when it comes down to crunch time, at which point I will be pulling for Wesley Clark. Hillary is my distant second choice, and Obama is a close third. He strikes me as an empty suit. I'm hearing a lot of high-sounding rhetoric but not much hard policy, something Mrs. Clinton both have experience in. Until he takes a stand on a potentially divisive policy issue, they will remain the lightweights in this race. Just throwing around words like "unity" and "hope" is cute, but a little too easy IMO. The President must be a practical manager, not just an idealistic figurehead. Frankly, I don't see what's so bad about having someone tough and calculating in that office. It ain't a job for cupcakes. I'm a warm and friendly guy, but you'd better believe I'd the stone cold if I was running for President. I wouldn't have handled it like she did, I definitely wouldn't vote for her if she was warm and fuzzy.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65987Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:35:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65987Nick Davout - Irvine CaliforniaPrince Harry is showing his warrior pedigree by going to Iraq, in contrast none of President Bush's nephews or VP Chenny's kin are going or have gone. This Iraq war was ill planned from the start. I blame the Neo-cons and then I blame the military brass for not speaking up. This is coming from a republican cop/vet. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#65994Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:45:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:65994Bill, Southern Pines, NCIt's scary to think that some people are actually serious about Hillary Clinton becoming president. Give me a break!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66002Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:53:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66002Joe, ColoradoRepublicans are loving this family fight.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66006Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:55:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66006Tyrone Daniels, Mayfield, KYAs a long term democrat and a black professional, I find it "defeatist" for other black professionals to say that Obama on the ticket will cause us to lose the White House. Why should we support Hillary Clinton exclusively? It has nothing to do with being black or white; it's right or wrong. Hilary was wrong about the war and was jack stepping along with the Republicans just in case Bush was right. As a thinking minority American, I don't let anyone think for me and Geffens comments about the Clintons were unfortunately right on the money. Obama should not react to Hillary's camp anymore. I would only vote for Hillary as a last resort.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66007Fri, 23 Feb 2007 02:55:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66007Casey Reeves Pocatello, IdahoGod help us all if Hillary Clinton gets elected. Isn't it still fresh in everyone's mind the kind of Leadership that was Bill Clinton? Too many people in this country fall for people like Bill. Is it his looks, his smile, his B.S, it can't be his leadership. President's of this country shouldn't go on the record and lie about affairs with interns and be hailed as a great President. Hillary on the other hand should be looked upon with suspicion for staying with a known adulterer. Substance makes a leader, not looks people. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66012Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:00:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66012Jack, Scottsdale, AZGeffen told the truth, Hilary IS a polarizing figure. And frankly the conservatives WANT her to be the nominee, as they can polish off all the anti-Clinton propaganda that has been collecting dust. I supported Bill, but I will not vote for Hilary. Give me Edwards, Obama, Richardson, anyone but another Clinton or Bush.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66017Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:03:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66017ryan, ypsilanti, michiganFrankly,no one really cares waht David Geffen says or does. ALl the average person casrs about is being able to work so they can feed their families, able to afford health care, and for the government to find a way out of the mess that is iraq. David Geffen and the rest of the Limousine Liberals are irrelevant--as they should be. I am tired of their self righteuous, simply minded blathering about subjects they can barely articulate, much less comprehend. Go sip martinis' or what it is you do, Hollywood. NO one wants to hear or read your commentary on the state of the country.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66018Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:03:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66018ryan, ypsilanti, michiganFrankly,no one really cares waht David Geffen says or does. ALl the average person casrs about is being able to work so they can feed their families, able to afford health care, and for the government to find a way out of the mess that is iraq. David Geffen and the rest of the Limousine Liberals are irrelevant--as they should be. I am tired of their self righteuous, simply minded blathering about subjects they can barely articulate, much less comprehend. Go sip martinis' or what it is you do, Hollywood. NO one wants to hear or read your commentary on the state of the country.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66019Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:03:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66019melba walters, summerville, ga 30747If a man crosses the road and is hit by a car, should he appolize because he didn't know the car was coming? If he knew the car was coming he wouldn't have crossed. Mrs. Clinton belived the lies she was told about the war,If no lies were told than she wouldn't have voted, what is so hard to understand about that. Obama and john should say what they want about thier own actions and Mrs. Clinton do the same.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66030Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:13:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66030Dave, MissouriI have yet to hear a clear and thoughtful explanation as to why Hillary Clinton is considered the front runner. Her campaign is a test of whether someone can actually buy a nomination. I used to support the Clintons but I am fully onboard the SS Obama as one poster said. And I hate to break it to people but people in the midwest go to school just like the rest of you.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66036Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:24:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66036Bill Mattingly Am i the only person in America who wish these snake oil salespersons would wait until about Oct.1,2008, before starting this parade of lies. This is like walking into the mall in March and seeing the Christmas stuff on display. At least Christmas makes one feel good, but campaigns are revolting!! GIVE US A BREAK!!!!!!!!!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66054Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:39:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66054Jim Klug - Aptos, CAOh, please, people! Was this country better off when the Clintons were in office or now? Whether you like Hillary or not, she's an effective Senator and got re-elected in upstate New York...which means they must feel she's doing a good job. One thing we do know about 2008 is that the next president is going to face some SERIOUS problems! Obama just doesn't have the experience in politics that Hillary does...after all, she was a major partner in a two term presidency. She also has contacts and influence that Obama can only dream of at this point. She's known to the world leaders..and is a major fundraiser...which will be incredibly important, since you can count on the Republicans spending HUGE amounts to win in 2008. As a bonus, we get an ex-president (who actually created a surplus instead of blowing it and creating a huge deficit in record time like Bush did)acting as an advisor and ambassador. Do I love Hillary Clinton...nope...but let's keep it real here. If you're playing hardball, you want someone with experience in the big leagues. Hillary has it, and at this point, Obama doesn't. As for "Shenanigans"...I'll take the Clinton's "shenanigans" (whatever they are...can't you be more specific?) over the lies, spying, torturing, constitution destroying and military blundering of the Bush administration, anytime. What...the president got caught fibbing about oral sex? Better than lying about uranium and terrorist connections to fool people into supporting an invasion that never should have happened. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66055Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:40:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66055John Higgins Genoa ColoradoI think that the way the CLinton camp is going after Mr. Geggens coments tells us allot about what really hurts. It is money, Mr. Geffen is obviously no Republican supporter I believe that he is a person who is tired of business as usual. It remains to be seen if Obama is able to take politics to a better level, but we all know what we get with the CLintons, they can make terrible comments but if any one else does it back to them than the gloves are off, Hilary it is time to really show us who you are and you are not letting us down. Keep it up and you will self destruct. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66068Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:57:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66068Frank James, Burtonsville, MDFolks, I have but one question. Why is it necessary for Obama to respond to words spoken (the trueth I might add) by someone other than himself? It is obvious that the Hillary crowd is feeling the heat. Frank James http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66069Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:58:08 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66069Robbie Guidry , Ontario, CAAnd after all that Hillary still leads in the polls. People talk about electibility, but do u think the majority of White people in the US will vote for OBAMA. NOT - As yes i am African-American!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66073Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:04:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66073Terry, Chicago-area, ILGeffen using the pedantic word "polarizing" and "ambitious" to describe Hillary is a blatant and hostile affrontry towards women. He's obviously insecure. Too bad many males (and sadly many women) like Geffen still can't handle an intelligent, driven, self-assured, self-determined, controversial, gifted and ambitious woman like Hillary. But if she weren't female, all of that would be moot. Like so many of the other Hollywood-types that change their stripes as frequntly as there's seismic motion, jumping on the band-wagon this early is ludicrous. Geffen's inappropriate and flippant remarks about President Clinton being a "reckless guy" is also hypocritical. His bit about how the Clinton's lie so easily that's it troubling is in itself disturbing. And what's with his snide remark about the Lincoln bedroom and charging a fee? It's not as if the Clinton's pocketed the money (no, the hyena Republican's would've gone on one of their usual tirade frenzies to uncover the dirt that wasn't there). Geffen tried, but failed miserably in being an in the moment cutesy glib misogynist. This is a telling moment. Never mind about one's race or mix being an issue. What the Democratic Presidential Primary is really about is gender. Geffen, his actions and his remarks would've been a non-issue had his target been a male. It's the boy bullies beating up on the lone girl. Problem is, Hillary is much better than Geffen and his ilk will ever be on any front, political or otherwise, and she doesn't need him. Anyone lining up behind Geffen will regret it. Obama will in fact suffer and eventually lose, with or without Geffen's moola. And, please, all you morons who still hate Bill Clinton - get over it; your boys in the WH are worse than Bill Clinton ever was; they're also hideous liars. Hillary, like so many others who voted for war as a last resort by the presidentg were patently misled; the liars in the WH led the Congress and the rest of us into believing that war was necessary; the WH liars also took advantage of unified patriotism. It was a time to unify, and the morons in the WH abused that sentiment by lying about everything involving Iraq, which they continue to this day. So shut up with your Clinton bashing you neanderthals. You've got more problems to worry about than a former president's indescretions and "lying", under oath or otherwise. At least Clinton's lies haven't corrupt our Treasury, ballooned the deficit, or caused a war that have injured, maimed and killed thousands (and more when you factor in the innocent Iraqis). Look to your own lies, misdeeds and filth. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66097Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:41:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66097skrwdbythepoliticiansdont vote for anyone from Illinois they are all crooked politicians..............and yes i live here..and now i am paying the price ... but then again i am on the other end of the state from "sucktown" i mean "chitown" or chicago.........so we foot the billhttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66111Fri, 23 Feb 2007 04:58:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66111BryanAll this thing was is a lovers quarrel for primary cash. If you think Mondale/Ferraro got slaughtered just wait.....Clinton/Obama will fair all the worse. You have to many "Senators" in the race and Senators don't win...Governors do. We haven't even heard (big time) of the eventual winner yet. It will be a governor from some state other than Cali or New England.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66119Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:05:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66119Pennington, NJI think Ms. Rosen's comments are fighting a battle but slightly missing the point of "the war". It seems our goal as Democrats’ and patriotic Americans is to put our country back on more healthy priorities: using our money to improve our country infrastructure (e.g., investing in improving schools, healthcare); helping other countries (but not interfering, e.g., as in starting a war in Iraq); etc. Both the liberal candidates Clinton and Obama would improve the situation, probably more than any conservative candidates. We need to focus on positive solutions, not tearing down two candidates on the same "team". That was Mr. Geffen's main disservice, even if you believe it’s true what he said about the Clinton’s.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66126Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:27:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66126Angela C. Sacramento, CAFirst, I am not poser. I have always voted Democrat. However, if Hillary wins I will be voting Republican. Second, her actions in Congress have been self-serving. A simple acknowledgement that a mistake in judgement was made regarding the Iraq war would've sufficed. From what I have read about Obama, he has my vote. And to Phil in Lake Forest, does it make a difference what denomination of Christianity he belongs to?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66138Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:44:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66138Mai Mamadou, Chad, AfricaI thought US is the country of freedom, specially freedom of speech so Mr. Geffens can speak out what ever he thinks on his mind as long as it doesnt jump into someone else freedom be it a Clinton.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66142Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:50:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66142Betsy, San Jose, CAThis isn't about Geffen or anything he says or does. What counts is how Obama and Clinton react, whether to the Geffen incident or the hundreds of things things that will be thrown at them in the next year. You have to be smart enough to run a campaign if you hope to run the country. Clinton lost big time on this one. Her response was out of line and inappropriate. Obama handled it well. He is not responsible for anyone else's comments and it would be presumptuous for him to apologize for their actions or words. As a life long democrat I was leaning toward Hillary, but on this round; Obama 1, Clinton 0 http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66143Fri, 23 Feb 2007 05:52:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66143Bill H. , Lake of the Woods , Mngeffen speaking the truth will NEVER really hurt Obama. Hillary , however , has always run from the truth both internaly and outwardly ... after her husband was caught with his pants down or even after she switched to and voted with the "dark side". This time though , she won't be able to run hard enough or fast enough. This time we are all well informed. From the bank in Quebec and the arms money , to the vote for duality and death in Iraq that she can only make excuses for , she will have to stand in the "light of truth" for a change. It won't be easy and there just isn't enough excuses to go around. Oh , by the way , I know what your thinking and your wrong ... I voted for Bill.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66158Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:14:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66158Andi Carmen, Jacksonville,FLAll of you have no clue when it comes to politics. The statement was a political move. Everyone including Hilary is over reacting. What Bill did in his marriage and personal life is between him and his wife. Show me a perfect marriage and I'll show you a rear flower. The fact is Hilary has done some great things over the years and this country was doing a lot better financially and with the peace talks when Bill was in office. Its been down hill for the pass four years. Did any of you think Bill ran this country on his own? His wife who is his help mate worked with him. They had marital problems that we as a people decided to get involved in. At least he was taking advantage of some boy. Obama and Hilary are great canidates. I would like to see both in the white house working together. My only hope is that neither feeds into other peoples ignorance. People in general always need to drag negativity around with them. And please keep in mind Mr.Geffen will be backing plenty of people. We just may not hear about it. And also remember that he may have his own hidden agenda. Lastly, as mentioned in previous messagaes this is a free country, Hilary has a right to run for office in any state she resides. So what if she ran for a seat in NY. The next seat she and Obama is running for is in Washington. Or should we have a problem with that. How many people is born, lives, and dies in the same place? Doesn't she have a right to practice her profession where ever she wishes. Obama and Hillary I wish you both the best of luck in this coming year. It will be interesting to see how you handle the pressures of the press and the rest of the bashers in this so called free country.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66162Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:16:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66162Mike- washington DCI am still waiting for some one to tell me what Obama is actually going to do for us. Anyone can say they will end the war, or stop illeagal imigration or fix that. Lets hear some specifics!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66180Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:34:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66180Jean V, Seattle, WAWell, I'm becoming very afraid for my country. Hillary Clinton was vilified for eight years by the neocons like Newt and Rush. And now some Democratic voters are piling on to finish the job the neocons started?!? Disgusting.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66185Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:40:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66185Vijay, Lacey, WashingtonI agree that instead of being hit hard in the general, its better for going through the debate now, will Hillary pass the test. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66194Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:00:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66194Joe Savio North Branford ConnecticutI hope that the two front runners knock each other out. They both can not win the General election. But John Edwards can. So if your a Dem, do you want to go to the Super Bowl ( with Obama ot Hil ) or do you want to win the Super Bowl ( with John Edwards ). He has seen the real America growing up. Go John Gohttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66196Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:01:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66196Roger B. McCord, PO Box 3683, West Wendover, NV 89883Ms. Rosen, I couldn't believe what you said. I always need a third cup of coffee before I stick my foot in my mouth and obviously you hadn't had any before you wrote this. Geffen was the guilty party; Sen Clinton way over-reacted; and certainly her staffers did. What did they think they could do? Don't be a reactor! Hey, sit down, review what happened, what the approaches might be. Then, script the plan of action, and script the "script" for Sen. Clinton's meeting with David Geffen, behind closed doors; ditto, Sen. Obama. It's called action; the best defense is a good offense. They'll be off-guard and re-acting. It's that important! You don't do it on the phone! We are a year and a half away, plenty of time for give and take, to reconnect, to find new funding -- unless the smell of fear scares everyone into thinking she can't win. She's sounded awfully shrill recently -- shrill and strident -- that, added to an odor of political mendacity and a dash of arrogant ruthlessnes, might, "train-wreck" her cynical bid for Power, National Power, the Presidency. And, Ms. Rosen, you've really embarassed yourself: we now know who and what you are. Power corrupts, Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66209Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:31:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66209yozuyo,san francisco,CaGeffen is a scumbag with bucks,Clinton is an arrogant insider who allowed CIA cocaine shipments to Mina,Arkansas for years to go unnoticed. Friends of the Bush crime family are bought and sold, they do not represent our country except as hustlers waiting to sell us out. Repugs?,they are the traitors who shredded our Constitution,nuff said.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66215Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:41:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66215Russ SellihcaRudy, Rudy, Rudy and Condy, Condy, Condy in 2008.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66235Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:45:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66235hopeful, austincome on, people... it's only february 2007! just because some corn-fed bi-coastal implant wants to insult her own heritage in the name of "big city journalism", let's not lose sight of the facts... geffen is not a player, he's merely a contributor... this race has just begun, and neither clinton nor obama are going away... in fact, if we're lucky, both their names will be on the the winning ticket in november 2008... obviously there aren't any big picture people left in america, even on the coasts...http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66250Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:52:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66250Peter A.Hillary Clinton? Hell no! This is not a dynasty! America cannot be ruled by 2 families for a quarter century.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66265Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:39:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66265Craig, Houston, TXFor those of you who think only Democrats are allowed to have opinions about the behavior of Democrat party members - I'm a realist and my head still functions. I will consider everyone who is campaigning before deciding whom to support, based on something more than whether Hollywood likes them. I have voted for candidates from both parties in the past. It's funny - the entire world was laughing at the United States during the Clinton years, from Bill's quotations about intercourse to the money scandals in AR. The US Presidency lost more respect as an institution due to their behavior than in 200 years of other occupants. The moral standards of the country took dramatic dips in polls too - suddenly anything was ok. Despite GWB's verbal gaffes and the almost fanatical instinct of Democrats to blaim all of the world's ills on him, at least countries are taking the US seriously again. I'm sure that somewhere on the net, he's called the Antichrist - there must be at least one Democrat who wants to blame the end of the world on him. Nothing changes in Hollywood except the names - who's on top, who's sleeping with whom, and where the money is going. We all remember the last election - when Hollywood big names came out to throw money at the "war hero" - and the result of the election, the Johns still lost with multiple recounts (even though key Democrat areas had funny things like more votes than registered citizens and votes from felons in jail and denied votes from the military members who are protecting your rights to vote at all). That's one of the most contemptible election tactics in my book - if this were another country, maybe those irritated military members would stage a coup and those responsible might regret their disgusting behavior. Mudslinging - it's just starting. It'll get worse, probably a lot worse. Give them more time to dig up more personal dirt - or to create it if they cannot find it, that's normal Democratic politics for everyone from the supporters to the incumbants. ROFL about Don in Illinois' 70% "loving" the Clintons. People don't automatically love those in power - they want to share in that power or in the wealth which it entails. That's why women throw themselves at movie stars, musicians, presidents and dictators - it's not because those people all have such lovable personalities - most are reported to be aloof, egotistical, degenerate, etc. So I don't know where that 70% of Democrats "loving" the Clintons comes from, unless from one of Hillary's pipe-dreams.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66278Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:15:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66278D. Furrow It didn't take Obama very long to turn into just another politician !!! So much for his talk about cleaning up the politics of personal attacks !!! He talks a good game but that's all it is TALK !!! http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66298Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:00:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66298RAMODROWell, this is turning out to be just another example of how good politicians turn to bad politics in order to win. HE SAID, SHE SAID! What about what "I SAID?" The candidates need to take responsibility for themselves and no one else. Let's stick to the issues. If Barak Obama wants to be a rock star with the light of Hollywood leading the way.....let him do it. He will only hurt himself in the long run. I suggest that Hillary should rise above the frey of pettyness and do the job she claims she wants to do. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66317Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:29:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66317Ron Sonnier LouviereHillary Clinton has been President once and that was a disaster. Poor Bill (a charming charismatic, dangerous person I can't help but like) was and is her business puppet. This woman (Hillary)is not charismatic, however she managed to capture the hearts, and souls of thousands of female teachers with "It takes a village". Hillary shows no emotion and she scares me. This woman is a cult star compared to Obama "The Rock Star". Obama is a charismatic do nothing but talk "I have a dream" visionary. Surely the Democratic party can offer someone more appetizing for those of us who are undecided but tired of both major parties theatrics.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66318Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:29:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66318C A, Tuscaloosa, AlabamaBart: Both parties are full of contemptible self-serving people who will trample any and all principles. But we, the people, continue to take sides and support either these contemptible democrats or the contemptible republicans. What is the phrase we use as an excuse sometimes, chosing between the lesser of two evils. These contemptible politicians know the game and they play us like fools to support them and their contemptible ways. And we go on supportng one side or the other, right or wrong, and arguing amongst ourselves who is the better party. Therefore, we the people, no matter if democrat or republican, provide them the platform and opportunity to continue in their contemptible and tramping ways. Until, we the people, wake up and demand something other than taking one contemptible side or the other, and therefore getting what we deserve (so stop complaining),the comtemptible tramping will continue on both sides. So stop blaming the contemptible democratic politicians and others should stop blaming the contemptible republican politicians. If you want to blame anyone for the corrupt contemptible system that we have today, we had better look to ourselves. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66321Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:36:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66321Luke, Tulsa, Ok.Ms. Rosen's choice of the word "attack" is a fallacious, melodramatic exaggeration. Mr. Geffen hasn't made any conscious attempt to "attack" Ms. Clinton. He has simply decided to support a candidate who hasn't yet exposed himself as a hateful, manipulative, vicious, vindictive, ranting, raving, typically hypocritical, flaming-liberal lunatic.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66368Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:25:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66368Rick, Omaha, NESpeaking about being an ignorant midwestern rustic, I am still having difficulties getting these new-fangled CDs to play on my turntable. I have tried to search for help on my computer, but it has no knobs with which to dial for answers. I am still trying to work through this issue. There is as much a media bubble as there is a political one, merely exacerbated by the centralization of media. On to a larger topic: the debate regarding Hillary vs. Obama. I deplore slander although suspect there was a lot more truth in Geffen's comnments than untruth. I am eager to vote Democratic, however will not be voting for a Clinton. I agree with the writer that suggested an Obama-Richardson ticket, although suspect the current state of world affairs would more logically demand the reverse order. It is going to take vision and ability to extricate the country from the profound damage of the Bush years, as well as a certain naivety on the part of the electorate in order to promulgate a sense that constructive change is, indeed, possible at this disasterous and cynical juncture of America's evolution. Trotting out the same old tired political hacks by whatever name just isn't going to budge the intractable stalemate that we have gotten into with respect to international affairs and social issues (immigration, health care, division of wealth, etc.). Sea change is needed. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66370Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:31:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66370mort greenberg miami flMS.Rosen & MS.Clinton are 2 peas in a pod in every way !!!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66376Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:37:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66376Kendall C San Ramon, CAI totally agree, with this.. For mainstream America, EVEN in New York and California (Which I happen to live in), the general concensus is "If Hollywood supports them... I vote against them..."http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66401Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:46:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66401Terry, Chicago, ILBased on Geffen's comments, one can conclude that he may be a closet Republican and misogynist. I guess it's a lot of fun attacking and bullying-up on Hillary and Bill. Obama could've at least distanced himself more from Geffen's comments than his empty words. In time, Geffen and those who align with him will hurt Obama's campaign; Geffen's efforts will become a footnote to this much too early primary campaign that will inevitably fail for Obama. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66437Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:07:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66437C. Cbolt, Fults, ILThis is the real Hillary Clinton, she feels Sen. Obama is a real threat to her so she is out to destroy him, doesn't matter what is best for the Democratic Party and resents Mr. Geffen's money going elsewhere but to her. She appears to be emotional at best which only reiterates what her opponents state about her - she is only for herself, I can't believe that people believe her lies...she has only transformed herself to maintain and acheive her goal, the old Hillary will appear once she gets to the Whitehouse and look out taxpayers - she and Bill will finish their raping and stealing from everyone in this country, Democrat, Republican - any minoritiy will not be left untouched if they pay taxes! I believe Mr. Geffen has the right to donate to whoever he wants to - you didn't see John Edwards or anyone else criticizing him and Hillary needs to be able to take the criticism if she is serious - she can't blame Bill or use him to play on the people for her own personal purposes. She should be careful, Sen. Obama may not pick her for a running mate as opposed to the other way around - I never liked the Clinton's they are fake and liars - this just makes the Republicans look better and better - oh and what is wrong with small farming towns and communities, big cities are not what this country is made completely of - it is the small communities that band together and throw off your elections!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66445Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:12:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66445Charled Feller, Hammond, IN.I get so tired of hearing how the Republicans play dirty politics. Both parties excell in playing the dirt game. Also why do we keep berating the tax cuts for the rich? The top one percent of the rich pay over seventy-five percent of the American tax burden. Why do the Democrate forget this? http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66448Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:12:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66448Robert Gibson, Camp Casey KoreaSimply put, a new day and time is upon us America. As Americans have done thru out history, risen to the occaision and overcome. Initially, before I became interested in the "08" race, and it's still early, yet it's time to get involved, before that, I thought the name, Obama, black man, no way, but now as we get started in making choices that will decide our direction for the next four/eight years ahead, names, race has no more a factor in what's to come for America as does height or weight, as least I would like to think it doesn't, but only time will tell,is Americans really ready to put a quote black man as president. (And regardless of what race his mother is, he checks black on his race profile that we Americans created, then he's black), I certainly hope that at this time and age, race is not an issue with Americans, because if it is, although we have come a long way, we still have a long way to go. True, America is still and I believe always will be the greatest country on earth to be a citizen of and maybe even live in, but it's time we give other races of people that has played a role in us accomplishing the many great things we have as one nation, under God, done in time. I certainly hope, as a black American; republican, democrat or what have you,doesn't really matter at this point, but as an American, I really hope and pray that we can still keep ahead and stay abreast. Keep our values and afford opportunity to all mankind. Not because he's an african American, but I say if we gave Bush & Clinton an opportunity to fix this mess, (more than once) then why not give Obama an opportunity, afterall what do we have to lose; 4 years? Come on America let's get over the mud slinging and make a difference for a change. Let's bring JFK and MLK dream to reality. Bottom line, our future depends on our future leaders. Give him a chance, and if he fails, then impeach him like we've been trying to do with Clinton, Bush, etc....What do we have to lose as oppose to what we have to gain...And by no way am I big on politics, I just have an opinon as does every one else in this blog! http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66467Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:20:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66467Daniel Lenaghan,Chicago, IllinoisFirst and foremost I find your ignorant comment that the republican party is the tax cut party for the rich offensive.this shows what a simplemided democratic lap dog you really are.and in case you are as slow as you are ignorant david geffen is rich somone better tell him he is with the wrong party.and I am offeded tht msn would give such simpleton a column.and for being suprised that a democrat would start moral mudslining Miss rosen must really not hve any idea about the subject she is commenting on.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66476Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:25:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66476Anthony, STLOf course we here in the midwest know who David Geffen is. I think the real question (and the one he is asking) is, "Does America know who Hillary Clinton really is?" The answer to that question and if they chose to support her is up to the individual to contemplate.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66510Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:36:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66510l. webb queens nychristine in washington you ask how will obama get us out of irag. The Real question is what are we doing there to begin with? Still looking for wmd's? Why don't we focus on today and ask Bush when the Hell are we pulling OUT??? http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66515Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:39:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66515William Reading, Wichita, KsWow, some of you people need to educate yourselves about the Mid-West. Farming is a small part of the Mid-West these days. Have you been to the Mid-West? Most of your perception comes from television. Where, I do not believe that your everyday life is CSI, Desperate Housewives or Laguana Beach. You should not believe my everyday exsistence is Green Acres or Andy Griffith. We have very good educational systems, low crime rates and clean air. We have access to the same ammenities such as pro sports, nightlife and concerts in and around our major cities without the hassles of living in a major metropolitan area. So please educate yourselves on the Mid-West and stop referring to everything here being about farming. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66519Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:40:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66519B Williams.. To hear a republican bash on democrats and recall Bill Clinton's Presidency is like calling the kettle black. The worst president in our short history is in office right now! Also the post about the remarks from the gentleman from South Carolina are not totally true. Hillary did in fact apologize for his statements about Obama. Also I read the newspapers, I watch the political newscasts, and still I have no clue as to what Obama stands for besides hope and change!! No one else has clarified this either as of yet. The statements made by Rosen are offensive, but they are her personal thoughts and should'nt reflect on Clinton. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66520Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:40:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66520Anne SmithHilary Clinton just made one more argument to NOT vote for her. She's trying to censor Mr. Geffen's right to free speech! Her "emo reaction" to his honesty makes me wonder if a woman could be president. Her whining sure makes the feminist movement look like a waste of time. How transparent are you?? You 2 Hilarys should cry together over a nice cup of truth! Get a grip lady!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66534Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:45:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66534Sherman Douglas Houston, TxIt is so sad that Republican pundits such as the ones quoted here,have to grab at straws and throw mud whenever they can. The Republican party has nothing to stand on. Their leader is incompetent. Will be remembered as the least liked and least effective president of all time. Yet, they will be happy to bring up non-polictal subjects about past White House regimes. I also find it funny, that none of them will say didly squat about the sexual perverert they have had leading their party and the cover ups to protect them! At least Bill Clinton went after the oppostie sex! Republicans, your time is over! Get used to it and thank your fearless leader for that!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66535Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:45:44 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66535Interested observerInteresting that Senator Leiberman does show the characteristics needed from a leader now and he had to leave his party. McCain can't be elected, roe wade, so Joe is the only one from either party to have what it takes. No more governors, the world is an entirely different stage than a state with a federal govt up above. And a one term senator just flat out doesn't understand enough. We all have good ideas and objectives. need somebody that can implement them. Track record is the best indicator of future prformance. Incidentally Hillary has done her homework and has shownshecan learn. Does she have/ can she learn character and integrity?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66536Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:46:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66536Chris W Honolulu HIEnought of "American Idol" as aPresidential Election template, with David Geffen filling in for Simon. This is all quite amusing. Obama doesn't have a chance because America. despite all the rhrtoric to the contrary, is not prepared to elect a mixed race candidate. Geffen's assinine remarks, saying it easy to ssy a vote is wrong, is a perfect example of short attention span theater. The vots is a fact: Hilary could say the now discredited information the President fed this country justified the vote, and continue to criticize the President's pattern of lies, innuendo, and character assasination. No one really knows who Geffen is, no one cares what he says.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66542Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:47:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66542Alan Manchester CtI am a Republican in Ct and I am tired of being expected to vote that way regardless of the canidates performance. I am more concerned how he or she has performed and what they can do for the country realistically and not if they say the right thing or are pure as the driven snow. We are way past " A chicken in every pot" Remember michael Douglas in the movie http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66553Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:51:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66553Spencer, Largo MdWhy should Obama have to say he's sorry for something someone else said, he didn't call the Clintons liers. The truth sometimes hurts and needs to be said bottom line.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66582Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:59:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66582Bill Coskrey, New Orleans, LAI agree with Geffen. I was/am a supporter of the Clinton administration, but Bill Clinton's fatal flaw (stupidity, lack of judgment, sexual addiction, or whatever you want to call it) cost Al Gore the election and set us up for the eight disastrous years of Bush. Unattractive as it makes her appear, the fact that Hillary is incapable of taking responsibility for her bad decision, is beside the point -- no matter how smart people think she is, Hillary is a polarizing figure and cannot be elected in 2008. I think it's time for a newcomer -- and for me, that's Obama.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66586Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:02:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66586Gene GoldMs. Rosen: What bubble are you hiding in? Most of America have severe Clinton fatigue. Apparently you didn't get the memo from James Carville, "Those Hollywood people should keep their wallets open and their mouths shut!" Oh and who could forget Clintonista Terry McAuliffe making the public pronouncement that people better know that if they don't support Hillary "she'll remember". My point is that David Geffen isn't the problem. he is merely symptomatic of the Clinton fatigue that Joe Sixpack in flyover country is experiencing.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66601Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:06:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66601Mark Harris, Houston, TexasForget Clinton---vote for Geffen. Hey, is Rosen on the Clinton payroll?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66607Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:08:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66607Yvonne D. Bryan, TexasAl Gore for President, that's the only real option for the Democrats. I really don't want another Republican for the next 4-8 years.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66629Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:14:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66629Edmund BennettRosen is just doing her job, so there's no sense criticizing her for not being a real journalist. The media coverage -- ordained by her bosses -- for the 2008 Presidential election began in earnest last December. By the time it gets here, we'll have had 22 months of bogus "breaking news" ..... and the media will have avoided covering any substantial non-political events that took place during the year 2007. Fox news will concentrate on the candidate's moral character and present summaries. MSNBC will focus on their personalities and present endless forums of experts. CNN will report on how the candidates have voted and present human-interest video-articles about how ordinary people have been affected by the voting. But the entire media will be politics, politics, politics ..... air-time is for sale and the politicians have bought it. Rosen is just doing her job.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66633Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:15:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66633Becca Ellington, Houston, TXIf it isn't 'hurting' Hilary, then why are her 'people' making such a big deal out of Geffen's comments, particularly asking for OBama to make some sort of apology...FOR WHAT?!! Someone else's personal opinion?! Why does it matter what Geffen says...last time I checked we all have a right to our own personal opinions. I agree with Bart...seems like people have forgotten what the Clintons have done in the past and I'm not just talking about intern-issues...there are several fundraising issues, anyone remember 'whitewater'...hello...I won't be voting for either one of them...especially Hilary.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66654Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:21:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66654Mark Faria, Huntington Beach. CaI love it! The peace loving, Socialist, top Democratic presidential hopefulls are ripping each other apart. I won't matter who comes out on top of this mud slinging, neither will beat a Giuliani/Rommey ticket. But man it's fun to watch!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66675Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:31:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66675Al, Burlington, KSI live between the "coasts" and I know all of the players in this drama...but I was transplanted here. Chicago aside, most people here don't know who Geffen is...heck most don't really know who Obama is, or who Rudy is...or who Richardson is. For most of them, this will all be over before they start paying attention. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66685Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:35:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66685kw InHillary Who do you think you are (either one)http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66719Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:46:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66719Chalfauna C. Sanders, Minneapolis, MinnesotaHow amazing is to know that we have women: Mothers, wives, students that feel it necessary to bash Ms. Clinton because of her husbands past indiscretions. Tell me now, how many of you lucky ladies has married or have dated a "cheater" and stayed with him? Oh, we're a little quiet now, huh? Let it marinate a minute....And, how many men have cheated and begged their wives/girlfriends to stay and work it out; have asked for forgiveness and have received such? Take a look at the bigger picture: Hillary and Obama deserve a chance to get our country back on track-especially if they work together. Presidency and Vice Presidency sounds great attached to their names or would all of you "devout" Dems prefer to continue splitting hairs, pointing fingers, and throwing the mud at each other; while the Republicans continue to lie, cheat and steal the White House from under OUR noses. Last, but not least, how much stock should you put into a washed-up, old, decrepit "Hollywood Icon"-What's wrong Geffie, you need a new friend (Obama: The "New kid on the Block") to re-establish and validate your career and political aspirations?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66733Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:53:21 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66733Robin Steffens, Colorado Springs,ColoradoClinton (who?), I thought you could be President only once! Obama, is that next to Alabama? Oh well I'm sure that here in this Fly over state we will soon be educated by the over zealous Democrats (yuk). Where is next Ronnie when the country needs him!?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66734Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:53:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66734Don Lisdahl, Superior, WIGeffen? Who the hell is Geffen? And who cares. Hillary Clinton will win the election in '08. Her stance on the Iraq war must be clarified and must be made 100% clear. People can change their minds, you know. Being stubborn and pig-headed is a Bush thing. And our fine fighting men and women are dying because he can't admit his mistakes. He refuses to change his mind...regardless. We need someone who is flexible. When the car is about to go over the cliff, it shouldn't be "full speed ahead". Maybe it's time to turn the wheel. Change is good. Hillary will get our troops home more quickly and so will Obama. I was very happy with Bill, in spite of his antics. Hopefully Hillary will bring some of the good old days back. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66810Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:24:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66810mr. honest, ironwood. michiganNow Cheney blaming the American people about Bin Laden for their screw up regarding this war, when he planned the war before Bin Laden attacked. He's saying that we "don't have the stomach", to complete his errant mission. - Just declassified under the Freedom Of Information Act, the National Archive shows fully and undeniably that the invasion of Iraq was planned in 1999. War plans at that time called for 400,000 troops to be used to pacify the population, and stated unequivocably that anything less would be a disaster. When Bush and company stole the elction, I mean won election in 2000, then Sec. Of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld didn't like that plan and replaced the CENTCOM commander with General Tommy Franks, who wittled the planned force by 240,000 troops. This was done for expediency purposes, and to lull the American people into the belief that this would be a swift invasion, followed by a quick installment of a friendly government, and an even faster withdrawal of U.S. forces. Interesting to note in the declassified documents is the caveat that we would be permanently stationing 5,000 troops in Iraq, which gives proof to the lies of the administration's stated position that they never intended to have permanent bases in Iraq. "Completely unrealistic assumptions about a post-Saddam Iraq permeate these war plans," said National Security Archive Executive Director Thomas Blanton. "First, they assumed that a provisional government would be in place by 'D-Day', then that the Iraqis would stay in their garrisons and be reliable partners, and finally that the post-hostilities phase would be a matter of mere 'months'. All of these were delusions." But yet, here we are in 2007, with the violence spiraling out of control, and a desperate President and Vice-President who continue to lie to us about pre-war planning, post Saddam expectations, and thrust upon us, against our will, a surge in troops in Baghdad. You can see these war plans for yourself here: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB214/index.htm http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66825Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:29:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66825Casey Reeves, Pocatello, IdahoDefending a politician like Hilary Clinton in a situation like this is like defending the bully who finally got what was coming to him. Hilary Clinton is a lying, self serving Democrat who simply wants the recognition of being the "first female President." Can we as a country trust a woman who has no moral integrity, after all, she stayed married to Bill after all his affairs and sexual adventures. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66828Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:30:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66828marianne johnson,cleveland,ohio If Hilary is nominated, what's next? Will we as citizens be hushed from our opinions? Doesn't sound very democratic to me. Why does an apology need to come from Obama? It's only to tarnish him, and cover recipricated trashing by talk of a matter of integrity. Why is this even an issue? Research candidates and political science as you would research a cure, because that's what America needs, a cure. Obama may be an amateur to some in the political realm, but he has no loyalties which makes him a great candidate. Those who are experienced seem more like the professionals at lying and amateurs at what America really needs. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66842Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:38:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66842Jeff KulenovicI agree 100% with Hilary Rosen's column! And guess what I was born and raised in Chicago! http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66844Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:38:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66844Wade Clark, Seattle, Wash.8 years later and I still don't get what Bill and Hillary's personal marriage issues have to do with either of them as politicians. These people are human beings. They deserve respect for their private lives. I personally feel that Hillary's choice to stick with Bill despite his apparent philandering ways shows she is a strong woman with an open mind and a forgiving nature, and their bond transcends the social represssions of the far right. As to Hillary as president, I agree with Geffen and many others that she is a polarizing figure, but that is mostly due to the constant rediculous attacks both she and Bill had to endure from the Gingrich camp during Bill's tenure. She is polarizing because the republicans want her to be. So much was made of Bill's affairs that both of their committments to pubic service and genuine compassion for America and the average American have been largely over-shadowed. That was the point. It is also a dis-service to both them as people and leaders, and to us as Americans. I sincerely hope Americans are ready to see beyond that hyperbole and actually look at the candidates for who they are and what they've accomplished. I would choose Hillary over Obama because she's been around a lot longer, understands the issues and Washington better, has been through the replublican spin cycle and come out the other side so will know how to handle the lies, misconceptions, deceptions, and other tactics of that horrific party, and has demonstrated that she genuinely cares for the average American. Or more simply put, she is significantly more qualified. I'd vote for Obama if he were to win the Primary. However in the Primary I will be voting for Dennis Kucinich. He was against the war from the beginning, and spoke out about the lies and deceptive tactics being used by the present administration to "sell" this abomination of a war. If all of you Obama supporters are truly looking for a candidate that not only represents change and a fresh approach to the political process, but unlike Obama also actually clearly articulates exactly where he stands on the issues and has a track record that proves he stands for what he believes, educate yourself about Mr. Kucinich. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66853Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:42:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66853Bob, ColoradoHillary stands for whichever way the wind is blowing. Obama stands for generalizations which means he stands for nothing. If Dems want any chance of winning the general they better bring a winner to the race. Instead of spending your time bashing Hillary and Obama try researching the only candidate that can sweep the general: Bill Richardson of New Mexico. Us Independents need a candidate to support in the general and it isn't Clinton or Giuliani !http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66854Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:42:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66854Paul Seigle, Arlington, VAHillary Clinton and her supporter Hilary Rosen are no different than Republic Party operatives. They can't argue successfully on a moral basis or factual basis (because morality and/or facts don't agree with their positions) so they resort to ad hominem attacks against their opponents. In this case Obama didn't even make the statements in question, Geffen did. So why don't Clinton and Rosen refute the substance / basis of Geffen's comments? It's because Geffen's comments, albeit inflammatory, are true. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66913Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:03:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66913Vicki Corum. St. Louis MissouriOne of my overwhelming sources of disdain and disgust at the political machine is that there is an inordinate amount of time and money spent on bashing the other side and not enough attention to political agendas. I am disdainful and disgusted that already, even before the main arena is upon us, it has begun...the personal attacks and mud slinging. Please I realize our country has gone completely bananas with our unexplainable obsession with trite trash but couldn't we, just this once, focus on a presidential election as a quest for the highest political office in the country. A little decorum and a smidge of class please.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66920Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:07:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66920E. in the State of Dismay, but my mail comes to LouisianaAll issues of 2008 Dem.Pres.nominations aside, one thing I can conclude from some of the comments here is that a lot of Americans are completely whacked in the head when it comes to deciding who they will vote for. When Bill was president, I heard a lot of people making the comment,"If he treats his wife like that, how can we trust him to do right for the country?" I guess the strongest American economy in 50 years just wasn't good enough for you, was somehow 'wrong'. Now we have W, The Imbecile! Mr. Morality and Fidelity. Sure, he's a good husband, but look what he's done to the country. Clearly, one can't judge a potential president by the same standards one would judge a potential husband. And now I see all these people(mostly women) saying they won't vote for Hillary because she stood by her man in spite of his failings. So now we have the exact same argument used against Bill, only flipped so it can be used against Hillary. But if she had left him, the GOP would make her divorce the central issue of the campaign. Damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. Bottom line, Hillary can't win here. And I don't mean the election. She can't get a fair shake from the American people because the American people pass judgement based on issues that have no relevance to what really matters; how she would run the country. And this is why we end up with the leaders we get; Because on the whole, Americans are a bunch of, judgemental, self-righteous a-holes who are absolutely no different than the terrorist who want to kill us. Let's just get it over with and elect someone who will use the bomb once and for all and eradicate this plague we call Humanity from the universe. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66938Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:11:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66938B LawsonA few points to ponder; First, the vast majority of wealth and resources in this nation lies between the two coasts, it ain't all corn folks. Second, Hillary is NOT a New Yorker, and has been severely derilict in her duties as a Carpetbag Senator for this state (her record is public by the way, so look before you leap). In fact she is a no-show dissappointment to many here. Third, the Messiah has never been forecasted to be a Liberal, even in the Gospel of St. James(Carville that is). Fourth, I may not be thrilled with the diplomacy of the last decade or so, from either side of the fence, but financially speaking, middle class, middle America is doing quite nicely thank you! And Lastly, this blog is a classic example of why democratic strategy has such a poor record. There is not one rightee crusader in here to incite you. And yet, you all pick the crap out of each other like hyenas on a carcass. Grow up, quit whining, and get busy...you might then have a chance. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66952Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:18:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66952chrisColleen, if you don't think there is a farm within 40 miles of Chicago you really do need to get out more. Moreover, there are farms within 40 miles of LA and NYC. Your idea that farms are some kind of reservoir of ignorance speaks more loudly of your own ignorance than anyone elses. And don't be too proud about being from the county of illinois responsible for returning a governor under 7 federal subpoenas back into office...http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66955Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:20:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66955Kenyatta, Scotch Plains, NJI'm sorry but I have lost major respect for Mrs. Clinton after her campaign insisted on Barack apologizing for the actions and words of another grown man. I was completely torn between Barack and Hillary but after this week's attack on Barack, you can best believe that I will not only be voting for Mr. Obama but will likely campaign for him as well.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66962Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:21:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66962chrisHey Al, I too live in a small town in a flyover state. I know who all of those people are and have so for years. Moreover, I know for fact that a majority of the people in LA and NYC have no clue who Geffen is so your point proves nothing.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66964Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:22:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66964TreyNone of them are going to win. This whole forum is a waste of typing.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66990Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:28:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66990Bob Anderson, Kingsport, TNI hope Clinton and Obama both fall on their faces. The last thing this country needs is another Dem in the White House. The War should not be stopped until we win , period. I support George Bush and the Troops 100 %. I would never vote for Clinton or Obama, they are both a joke. How quick people forget what happened on Sept 11, what a shame . I am still amazed at the amount of wimps this country has.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66992Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:28:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66992Ryan Pesicka, San Diego CAYou Hillary haters are just jealous and sexist. Get over it. Women can run the show too. BTW, you people who are scared to put down your real names are gutless and should not be allowed to post.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#66997Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:30:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:66997Paul Hartman,Lumberton,NCHillary is a little stale don't you think. Shes like an eighties rock band making a come back tour without all the original members. Obama's the new 'American Idol' with the new hit song. To capture and motivate the youth America needs the new star.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#67026Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:35:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:67026Charles J. Raymond,,Keene,NH time for a real change. I will vote for almost anyone other than Hillary. Whitewater and the death of Vincent Foster still haven't been addressed to my satisfaction. If Hillary and Senator Charles Hagel are thier parties respective candidates for President,I'll vote for Sen.Hagel. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#67033Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:36:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:67033chris cummingsDavid Geffen? Whos that? Being a rock musician im suprised that i dont know him!! oh whait i forgot im originally from illinois so i guess im some corn field bred redneck. i know nothing of whats going on in the world around me all because im from the central part of the country. Well for you ignorant people that havent heard of phone, email, tv, computers, the internet, illinois has a lot of these. i come from a town of less than 2,700 people and yet i am very up to date on my politics (if thats what you can call it). Oh and by the way, David Geffen is the president of Geffen Records. Brought us such bands as Aerosmith, and Guns N' Roses. But seeing im from illinois i guess i really dont even know who steven tyler is (lead singer of aerosmith)http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#67050Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:40:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:67050Stacey Harris, Short Hills, NJI liked Hilary Rosen. We share a lot of the same views. However, I never thought of her as a "journalist" . She's a partisan and now I know she's voting for Senator Clinton. It's ironc that the front runners for the Republican and Democratic Party should be totally unattractive to their respective camps. The Republican font-runners can't be more liberal on social issues and the Democrates' front runner's, position on the war and Iran should be totally unacceptable. I guess voters want to win so badly that they are willing to abandon their principles. Senator Clinton's position on the war is unacceptable. She may have been and will be treated unfairly because she's a women, or a Clinton, or a target of the right- wing, etc. but I can't get past her position on the war. Geffen's right. His opinion is not personal or aggressive and concerned citizens should stand up, not shut up. Candidates can't inherite the nomination. It's not a crown. They have to earn it and they should not bristle when citizens voice their concerns. Oh yeah...Ms Rosen bashing Hollywood is beneath you, even to get your candidate into the White House. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#67116Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:58:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:67116Don Wood, Albion, ILI agree that we need somone other than a Bush or a Clinton. But there's one thing for absolute sure, I'll vote for Hilary Clinton, or Al Sharpton, or Fred the dog catcher before I vote Republican.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#67130Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:02:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:67130DavidI read some and skimmed the rest before I got to the bottom and found a mention of the one candidate with the credentials to be our next President--Bill Richardson. I wonder if he knows about David Geffen? If anyone but a few politcal operatives and Chris Matthews, of course, were paying attention why in the hell is who gets Anna Nicole Smith's body and Ms. Spears haircut and rehab all I can find on TV? By the way, I think I might be the father of Anna's child. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#67136Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:04:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:67136Kurt - Fenton MichiganIf anyone thinks they can guess who the next president will be, do me a favor. Can you tell me the winning numbers for the Big Game Lottery tonight, its up to 177 million.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#67150Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:09:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:67150Lisette CollierFirst we let the Supreme Court select a president and now we're watching the media select who the nominees will be. Wow, what an improvement! The only nominees that are in the press/TV are the 'proposed' front runners according to talking heads. Meanwhile without coverage others will find no way to get their ideas out and their funding will dry up leaving the 'proposed' front runners, by default. Nice? It looks like we aren't looking for presidential qualities, we're looking for an excellent fund-raiser. Of course, considering how poorly the media vetted Bush, perhaps the general public should be warned to take such recommendations with a grain of salt.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#67153Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:10:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:67153Colleen, Chicago IlHillary Clinton's personal life is her personal life, but we have had to live with George W. for 6 years now because of Bill Clinton's cheating. Bill Clinton's cheating had nothing to do with the state of the country, which in my belief was better than it ever was when he was president. The problem is, if we run Hillary and she loses, what does that mean for America? Can we withstand another four years of this hell? It has been bad. Look at the hate between us on these boards. Can America handle more sacrifices from the middle class before it collapses in on itself? Can we handle more death in the Middle East before it becomes WWIII? Can we handle another president who takes the domestic tranquility we had and throws it out the window because his own religious beliefs say that he must interfere with a woman's right to choose, a family's right to deal with its ill, a commuity's right to extend equality to all its members? I can't handle the idea. I really can't. As someone with a family member who suffers from juvenile diabetes, I can not handle the thought of another ultra-religious and intrusive president laughing at the hopes we have for his health improvement. That is why I care about whether or not Hillary Clinton can be elected, not because I believe she should suffer for her husband's sins. Personally, Hillary Clinton let me down when I was hoping for her to show her courage and strength- on the Iraq war. Listening to Barak Obama gives me hope. I feel that the words that come out of his mouth are coming from my own thoughts. He makes me feel that Americans are what are important, not "American interests". If another Republican wins, he will just bend to the whim of the religious right on all the issues. I am certain of this because you see it already happening with Romney and McCain. Another four years without stem cell research will certainly have an impact on the quality and length of my brother's life, and I don't want anyone in the Presidency who gives in to these people when it comes to scientific research that can help family's like mine.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#67189Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:22:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:67189Carlos, Weston, Fl.This is Great !!! Watching the vapid Democrats in a tug of war for the Black vote. Mark my words. If either Hillary or Obama are nominated and the top 3 republicans (McCain, Guiliani & Romney)don't stumble between now and election day the next president will be a republican. Hillary has too much baggage and Obamas laundry has not been hung out to dry yet. And there is nothing that the 4th estate can do about that. I love it !!!!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#67204Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:27:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:67204Colleen, Chicago ILI have nothing against farms, farming commumnities, farmers, or farm lovers. My statement was to convey the fact that her generalization about the people that live in between NY & LA is far from accurate. I see though, from these posts, how people can pick on someone for their words when their words were not meant to be malicious, are obviously not malicious, but can be construed to be that way by people who wish to make a big deal out of nothing. So, for those of you out there who think I am anti-farm, you are proving my point about Hillary Clinton taking something way too far, and turning it around and attacking someone who has meant you no harm (she did attack Obama, not Geffen.)http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#67228Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:33:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:67228Martin - Eatontown, NJWhat's with this insistence on having to agree on everything all the time!? This same nonsense came up when picking the house majority leader. The shame, different democrats wanted different candidates, and had to debate and come up with a final decision for everybody to follow. How dare they not all fall in to one choice and never speak up! I for one was proud that they acted like a real congress, and worked out the issue till they had an outcome to go forward with. If Hillary was a worthy candidate, she could've met the challenge layed out by Geffen's comments, and made an answer that could prove him wrong. Verbal barbs and accusations are never going away! I want candidates that can roll with the punches, that can respect an opponent's comments and do everything in his or her power to convince the accuser to think differently. Instead, Clinton did what I expected: blamed the other guy and cried foul that someone wasn't falling in line with her. Do you honestly think she'll win over voters with that behavior? And finally, what I read of Geffen's comments seemed very, very tame to me. The reaction is completely blown out of proportion.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#67304Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:02:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:67304JaneHere's hoping that candidates soon begin to tell us what they stand for so we can cast an intelligent vote on issues related to the future of our country & not on Ms. Rosen, Mr. Geffen & Chris Matthews opinions. Is that expecting too much?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#67316Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:05:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:67316John-Portland, CTI think if it were me, one of the first things I would ask Ms. Hillary if we were in a debate together is: If you become president, are you and Billy going to bring back all of the stuff you stole from the White House when you left in 2000? Just a thought!!!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68659Sun, 25 Feb 2007 04:41:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68659Eddie-Rochester, NYWow, just a little bit of journalism and you guys go off like rockets! Lifelong Dem here who is trying to understand why nobody in this party gets heard anymore. You're all screaming and insulting and abusive. While the Republicans have nothing, we are about to shoot all our own candidates. I know who Geffen is and could care less. Colleen, get a glass of wine and a good book. The rest of you, find a real leader. Look for a stateperson, not a politician, then support 'em.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68690Sun, 25 Feb 2007 05:27:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68690Kahlil Everybody wants a change. For 16 yrs, the name Clinton has been a mainstay. Obama sounds new. Maybe I'm crazy or I'm just another guy with a muslim name but christian background.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68774Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:17:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68774Luis VillaSad to say, that either Obama or Hillary will not win. I bet you a blank check that america will not accept an African American for President even how smart the person is nor for a woman like Hilary. That's a FACT! You can take that check to the bank!!!!!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68776Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:21:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68776EJM, Santa Barbara, CAI am, yes a life long democrat. I refuse to vote for Hillary. I find her distasteful, she supported the war with an eye toward the presidency because she thought it would still be a popular position. I believe she used her connections in Hollywood to take down Dean because of a simple yell of enthusiasm (spun similarily out of control). She is trying to bring Obama down early with a similar spin now. He can't win if he engages her campaign either way. If he apologizes he loses for backing down, if he doesn't all Clinton supporters claim he is mud slinging. The Clinton campaign has set up their perfect lose/lose situation. More dirty politicking. Wonder, if Hilary R. has noted so many Californian's commenting that we don't want Hillary? I have wondered where all those survey #'s come from? Perhaps I should stop hanging up on pollsters so they might get a truer view of our opinions out here about Hillary. We have been dreading her run for the last 4 years in all the circles I socialize in and speak, we echo most comments made by our fellow citizens in the areas between the coasts. I am also a woman, and a mother who would love a female president, but not a Clinton.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68782Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:31:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68782Luis VillaSad to say, that either Obama or Hillary will not win. I bet you a blank check that america will not accept an African American for President even how smart the person is nor for a woman like Hilary. That's a FACT! You can take that check to the bank!!!!!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68786Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:35:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68786Carolyn from MOBe Real People....Hillary is in to win, as her only goal is to be the first Woman President. She does not care about the American people and what the biggest majority poor or rich. The Clintons are out to rob you of all your tax money. They drained us for 8 years and want to drain us again!!!!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68813Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:35:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68813Bill X., New York City .I thought Obama was an interesting new figure , until, one day , he said :"yo mama says you should vote for Obama." So, wasuuup Jesse? What's the dilly, YO ?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68844Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:55:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68844Ross, Portland, ORGreat news for Biden supporters. Let Clinton and Obama self-destruct, they can't win anyway. As liberal as we like to think we are the US is not going to elect a female or black president, yet. The next democratic candidate needs to be a galvanizer, someone middle of the road that can garner support from both sides of the aisle. Neither Clinton or Obama can do that.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68852Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:54:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68852AlainClinton is looking for the democrat solidarity,but when she vote for the war she didn't ask to anybody only her husban, now she must face the reality. She wanna used Obama now to couver what she is calling for the non-personal attacks, each candidate must tell people why you voted for the WAR or not 3000 people died , and BUSH is not the only responsable Clinton toohttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68866Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:07:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68866PaulDavid Geffen is bi-sexual. How can HE attack the Clintons on moral issues?!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68869Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:11:56 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68869Jerry, Tennesse and ChicagoIt seems like a lot of people on this blog are expressing personal beliefs and reading a lot "between the lines" of Ms. Rosen's remarks. I believe that I am fairly knowledgeable about affairs in the world and our country and have never heard of Mr. Gefen.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68873Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:03:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68873 steve crestview flThis is just a way the press has to get obama nane back in the presshttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68875Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:11:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68875C BriggsObama is just a lost soul. Has no experience, done nothing know's nothing.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68882Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:33:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68882ML, Orlando, FLHillary - take the heat - you are not immune to all negative comments in the Presidential race!! Your reaction says tons about you!! Geffen knows you real well and can only be honest! Obama would make a better president than Hillary!!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68896Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:10:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68896Mitchell Feldman Vestal, NYHillary Rosen is expressing wishful thinking about her candidate, Hillary Clinton. Like it or not, David Geffen expresses what many Americans, of both parties, feel about the Clintons (in spite of the fact that Bill's administration was fairly successful). Hillary Clinton's lead in the polls is purely a name recognition phenomenon and when all the dust settles the Democratic candidate will be Edwards or Obama (maybe even Gore).http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68915Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:01:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68915William Tarbell, Erie, PAWho cares what David Geffen thinks about Hillary Clinton? The only reason he is getting all of this press is because he is a very wealthy individual. He is part of the problem, not the solution. Too many wealthy individuals have interfered with our already corrupt political process.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#68920Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:10:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:68920Kevin Lonergan, N. Scituate, RIHilary....I'm not rich, but I still pay lower taxes,thanks to the Republicans ( and even got a rebate of $300.00 when President Bush was first elected). So, I don't believe tax cuts are only for the "rich".Also, if the "rich people" (a very subjective term), happens to make out better by lowering taxes, taxes on dividends, etc...good for them...they deserve all they can get..it's THEIR MONEY. The distribution of wealth just doesn't make any sense....http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69058Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:48:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69058Joun DeoHey, ive read all the nonsense u wrote about this lady. Is it out of jealousy that most women cannot get to her level. She is Clinton and would always stay by her man. The white house is for white not black. I am black, Obama is not going nowhere.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69062Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:58:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69062Lowel, Wheat Ridge, ColoradoOh no here we go again! Here comes the mud slinging! Hillary is a politician. Obama is not! So what is the problem? Is this going to be a black vs white thing here real soon as well????? One would hope not! For once I would love to see politicians just lay the facts on the table and actually do what they say their going to do! Let's leave the mud slinging out of it! Lol, like that will ever happen! Ang Geffen needs to get a life! No really he does!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69072Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:47:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69072Brian, Bloomingdale, ILMr. Geffen's split with Billary was the result of President Clinton not granting a pardon that Geffen supported. Mr. Geffen & I are worlds apart as far as our daily lives, but I applaud his willingness to say what he thinks. His comments did nothing but reinforce beliefs that many (if not most) have held about the Clintons. Mr. Obama had nothing to do with this confict, and for the Clinton camp to try to drag him into it is dishonest and shameful. As a lifelong conservative, I'm hoping that Mr. Obama continues to earn my vote and support come election day.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69093Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:09:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69093henry jacobs MD JD eMBAi think that the behaviour of all parties makes it clear that the historical imperative screams for us to elect a courageous democrat with real values- AL GORE FOR PRESIDENThttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69101Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:38:12 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69101Ron, Greenville, SCI'm tired of hearing about Hillary. There's no way that she could get elected so it's a waste of time to be reading about her.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69144Mon, 26 Feb 2007 01:32:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69144Jerry - Franklin MAHRC IS the polarizing candidate that Geffen pointed out in his comments. People ARE sick of the Clintons, Dem and Rep alike. Hillary refuses to take responsibility for her Iraq War resolution vote, instead saying she was misled. That's real leadership all right. All I know, I am sick of the Bush's and sick of the Clintons. We need fresh leadership, not the arm of the Christian right or the slimiest of the left career politicians. And another thing, Ms Rosen, you can play the HRC apologist if you'd like, but what does it say about a staunch Dem who speaks out against a Dem candidate who also happens to be the first serious woman candidate for President? It says that she is a hollow politician, no morals, no values of any kind, and a platform that sways with the political wind. She overreacted to comments that have been echoed by many across the nation. She leads in national polls now only on name recognition, believe me, it will not be long until Obama and Edwards surpass her in the polls. She is stiff and disingenuous and that will become extremely apparent when the debates begin. She has no policies and an undistinguished Senate career. She also, on a personal note (perhaps I should expect a phonecall from the Clinton camp), her marriage is obviously engineered based upon power and politics, she has set a fine example for her daughter, you know, ignore years of infidelity and sacrifice values for power. I lean Democrat but will vote Republican, no matter who the candidate is, if she is the Dem nominee. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69172Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:10:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69172stan- long beach, cahillary has dealt with bad men before. she is more than capable and qualified. holly-weird will do fine no matter who's in office. as long as we keep lapping up the insanity that's passed along as news worthy, arnold could one day be the PREZZ. GOD HELP US.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69182Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:21:01 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69182Mike, Des Moines, IALeave the candidates with my 7 and 10 year-old for one day. Ask them who's the one they like the best and you have your best candidate. Kids can figure adults out right away. Most politicians are all about themselves. I suspect my kids wouldn't like either of these two. They were too busy to pay attention to them.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69201Mon, 26 Feb 2007 02:48:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69201Joe Culter, Cincinnati, OHNeither Obama or Clinton are electible. omeone else will emerge.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69237Mon, 26 Feb 2007 04:25:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69237Kingsley Oise . Charlston , South CarolinaThe Clinton years were good and America is grateful but America has to move on to greater heights , not relive the past.Obama is the future while Hilary is the past.God bless America and thumbs up to David Geffen.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69240Mon, 26 Feb 2007 04:32:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69240John Doe,Aber. WASHWho Cares! these people live in a world B.S.and don't give a trickle about the average working Joe.I think they do this just to justify their own pitiful lives I will vote for who I want without their help thank you. Jhon-Aber,Wash.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69241Mon, 26 Feb 2007 04:34:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69241Mike L , Fairfield CTI think Hillary, if elected, would be fine as president, at worst much better than W Bush. However, I don't think she can win in the general election. And neither can Obama. The mass majority of voters (i.e. older folks) are just not going to vote for a woman or a black man. Sorry, but that is just a FACT!!! What is needed for the general election is a White Man. Probably sounds pretty racist and or sexist, but I personally am neither. But our country is full of racists and sexists. I support John Edwards as he is the best chance Democrats have to WIN. The rest of the field is full of kooks like Kucinich, the clueless Wesley Clark, etc. Bill Richardson seems appealing as a VP candidate as he could pull some of the Spanish vote and Western states. Oh and get off the GORE bandwagon. #1 - HE IS NOT RUNNING and #2 HE IS A STIFF http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69288Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:15:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69288Vic, Sacramento CAAnything that will get folks paying attention to what is going on in this country is worth all this dust-up. I actually read all these messages and I am impressed that some people responded multiple times when they gained knowledge from someone else. I hope this spreads. Keep it up, folks.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69302Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:18:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69302Bess Moore Granville IlGet over it!! Just get Bushwacker OUT of the Whitehouse!!He's done enough damage to last us 200 yrs. I'd vote for Mickey Mouse before I would vote for a Republican.People unite!! For God's sake ~~vote in 2008!!How much more can this country take.??? God Bless our men and women who are trying to protect us!! Think of them.Man, woman, black or white~~just get Bush out of the whitehouse. My God , he has screwed us royally. VOTE in 2008!!!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69399Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:36:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69399Pat Edens, Hendersonville, TNWe live in a wonderful country where everyone can have their say, regardless of whether we agree or not. If we can focus half this energy and vitriole on getting people to vote, we may no longer get representation that favors east or west, blue or red, male or female, hawk or dove. In full disclosure, I think Hillary has the best chance to fix healthcare, put our country on a realistic path where we are not the world's gatekeeper or policeman, and recognize that bipartisan is not a bad word. If we fight among ourselves, we will be totally destroyed as other countries realize cooperation and focus on the collective good of their population is much more productive!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69419Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:16:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69419Joe sun edom ,txbeings california is anther ball game,I dont think the rest of this country pays much attention to what they think.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69543Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:28:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69543Donna, Mahopac, NYI wrote a message on Friday that never got published and I don't understand why, but here was the jist of it. Why does everyone keep saying that Hillary Clinton has done such wonderful things during her life. Think about it... Hillary spent 12 years in Arkansas politics as first lady, 8 years in Washington as first lady, and 6 year in the Senate from New York, which remember folks she carpetbagged her way into. Now with 26+ years of experience, can anyone name two (2) things this woman has accomplished. She's sited as very intelligent and bright. She graduated from a good school with a law degree, but other the attempting and failing at "Hillary-Care"... what has she done. Everyone's attention is on her but when you look at the ACCOMPLISMENTS of Rudy Guiliani, now that's a man with a record of accomplishment. He's run one of the most difficult cities in the world (New York City) and not only cleaned it up of crime, and prostitution but brought prosperity back into the city. He also was the "country's" major during 911 which was one of the worst disasters in our Nations history. Now comparing the "RECORDS" of both candidates... Who is most qualified???? My vote is on Rudy...http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69672Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:52:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69672C A, Tuscaloosa, AL. Donna from NY, I agree with you on Hillary, but regarding Guiliani being the "major" for the country following 911, what exactly does that mean? I am not saying that someone should not be given credit where credit is due, but I have heard numerous, numerous cudos for Guiliani regarding his role after 911. Many newscasters and pundits speak of Guiliani's great accomplishments following 911. Chris Matthews has saluted Guiliani for the same. But you know how most newscasters and pundits are (not referring to Chris Matthews). They speak in generalizations like most politicians. So what exactly (specifically) did Guiliani do beyond being a lead spokesperson on TV for getting NY back on its feet. I don't mean to sound funny or trite or nonappreciative for anything Guilianai may have done, but what exactly was it he did do. Please be specific so I can judge your apparent unwavering support for him for President. And, would not most any person (who may have been Mayor at the time) felt compelled to do whatever they could. And if true, is the greatness in the man or woman, or is it in the circumstacnes they find themselves in? http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69756Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:16:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69756Leslie Kavourakis Newport TnWhen GW Bush was "elected?" in 2000,I moaned to my family, "There's going to come a day in this country when the Clinton years will be remembered as "The good old days!" Much hooting was heard from family members gathered in our family room watching election newscasts,chads, and nefarious goings on in our Fla courts system.... not much hooting now...In 2004 I was completely p****d off at Ms. Clinton because I believed that at that time had she invited Kerry on her team, they would have swept Bush out 4 years ago,some 3700 people would still be alive, countless others would have the use of all of their limbs and we would be well on the way to restoring that old American craft called Statesmanship and diplomacy throughout the world including the Middle east. I Have not totally forgiven Ms. Clinton, but I will support her run because, #1 I am a loyal Democrat and #2 I belive that she has the ability to surround herself with knowlegble and COMPETENT Cabinet members unlike the evil and BAD MEN we have been saddled with in this administration.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69785Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:43:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69785mary Ann Sanko, Crown Point, IndHollywood as every one knows deals in the reel world not the REAL world Mr Geffen is so transparent he did not get his was, so guess what let's attack the Clintons, As for their new flavor of the month they have Chris Matthew helping them, every night I read the Hardball transcipts, and like my dog with her bone his hate of Senator Clinton is so visable, and when a person on the panel talks in her favor, his whole face twists like Mdm Defarge, oh if her only had a gillotine, First the Joke , Please Chris give it a break, it one of many jokes, and then there is Nora O'Donnell perfect for the lead in Wicked, the laugh, the bug eyes, and biased reporting, we have had six years of phoneness, and they are falling for it again, Senator Clinton is no saint But then she does not proport to be the New Kennedy, the New Lincoln, the New Bobby, WHY ARE THEY NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SENATOR FROM ILLINOIS VOTING RECORD IN ILL? You know why there isn't one, Hollywood would never decide and election, experience, and steel manor is what I and many of us will vote for, not poetic words and the fickle donors of star land, and Mr Matthew please say YOUR SORRY FOR SPITTING AND INTERRUPTING PEOPLE, I want to hear what they have to say NOT what you hope they will, this campaign has already turned you into a HAWK,just please give un-biased reporting try invoking the sprits of Mr Morrow, and Mr Huntley & Brinkley, it would be a real joy by the way there are quite a few men intending to vote for Senator Clinton, who cares about the % its who's ahead that matters, and alot of Americans think she matters regardless of gender.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69801Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:05:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69801Nate, Boyds, MDIn my opinion, I find it extremely important that we elect someone who has the ability to truly bring our country together. During these turbulent times, I find it paramount that our country be united. So as I go through the candidates, Hillary Clinton is the first person I cross off the list. She is an extremely polarizing figure and I do not want to go through another 8 years of the Bush/Clinton type of nasty, never take responsibility for anything type of politics. For me, Barack Obama is the best candidate to bring this country together although I think some of the other candidates could accomplish this. Obama is a fresh face with new ideas that after hearing him speak, leaves me feeling good and hopeful for our future. We will always have differences in our country but I do not think having this Great Divide in the electorate known as the Red States/Blue States is good for this country, especially at this time. I think we can be a more united country and it will start with who we elect. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#69828Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:49:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:69828Jeffrey S. Hamill Gainesville, FLHillary Rosen is in a word... wrong. When the topic of conversation is Bill Clinton and his personal foibles, Hillary Clinton loses... period. The country was tired of the Clinton soap opera in 2000, and Bill Clinton deserves at least some of the credit for the Bush presidency. If Hillary wants to run taking credit for Bill's positives, she's got to run with his negatives. Frankly, her and her campaigns hyper-ventolating over these issue (Bill's behavior and Iraq), just shows how vulnerable she is on the issue. If she can't take the heat from David Geffen, how's she going to handle the Republican smear machine? Personally, as a life long Dem, I'm not going to vote for her because of her hawkishness on the war, and her inability to say she was wrong (nevermind the pandering support of banning flag-burning). Save us Al Gore... please, save us!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#70184Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:04:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:70184Jeri Bennett, Richmond, VA.David Geffen didn't just decide to start trashing Hillary..He's a little whinner that didn't get his way and has been rejected. He's not angry at Hillary..he's mad at Bill. I'm surprised no one in the Broadcast media has mentioned this. I base this view on two separate articles. The first by NY TIMES columnist, Maureen Dowd in which she mentions.... (1) Long after Geffens fury with Bill Clinton’s last-minute pardoning of the financier Marc Rich and not Leonard Peltier— the Indian activist who was convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment for the murders of two federal agents — Mr. Geffen went on to donate $1 million to the Clinton presidential library, even though Mr. Clinton made a disparaging remark to Time magazine about Mr. Geffen’s displeasure with the way the last-minute pardons were executed. NY TIMES , Maureen Dowd ...If I remember correctly..Geffen lobbied Bill Clinton to pardon Leonard Peltier. And from the article.. Et Tu, David? A Lucrative Friendship Sours By JENNIFER STEINHAUER and DAVID M. HALBFINGER Published: February 23, 2007 (2) "Mr. Clinton had long paid homage to Mr. Geffen, and was a frequent guest at his home in Los Angeles. But after his 1996 re-election, Mr. Clinton began staying more frequently with Ron Burkle, a longtime Clinton supporter and onetime rival of Mr. Geffen for ownership of The Los Angeles Times. Mr. Burkle, a supermarket tycoon, lives in a 40-room Beverly Hills home that once belonged to the silent-movie star Harold Lloyd. By late 1999, the president felt so divided between his two billionaire friends that he once wound up leaving Mr. Burkle’s home late one evening to turn in for the night at Mr. Geffen’s nearby Beverly Hills home, all to avoid offending Mr. Geffen, one member of the president’s entourage said, even though Mr. Geffen was out of town... To me, meaning that Bill Clinton was trying to breakaway from Geffen's friendship..perhaps feeling the pressure of his true motives of his lavish support.. I can understand FOX not wanting to get to the bottom of Geffen's “sudden” change of heart, but I can't understand why no one else has mentioned these facts.. Geffen is smart and a powerful businessman. He's not use to someone rejecting him or not giving him what he wants..So now he's going to pout and whine..and take home his ball because he doesn't want to play the Clintons anymore....grow up David!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#70725Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:21:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:70725Tonya P, Tualatin, ORSeriously people, can we get to know all the candidates before we decide who we are voting for. There has not even been a debate and only a few(neither Clinton or Obama) have really even given specifics on any plan for the future. We need to demand we see all these people regularly and they are asked the tough questions before we make our decisions, that goes for democrats and republicans. Let's look at actual ideas and plans and not popularity and looks. Who do we trust to lead us into the future, a scary one at that. I know that this the first time in a long time the democrats have good candidates and so far I like most of them, but I'd like to really know them and that's all of them. I get a little confused why the guy with the most actual international and executive experience gets the least press. From the experience standpoint nobody is even in the same league as Richardson, but the only place to get much info on him is his own websight, which of course says nothing but good things. I want to the whole story on all the candidates. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#72523Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:54:53 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:72523MT, Seattle, WAOversensitive much, middle-stater's? The author's comments were actually a diss on the values of those of us who live on the coastal states, not on you. Re-read carefully: "Most people in this country don’t know who David Geffen is. And for most of those in between New York and California, he represents something that they are just not too comfortable with – Hollywood values." SHe didn't say that you didn't know who Geffen is because you're busy tipping cows and praying to Jesus, she said most AMERICANS don't know who he is, and that the people 'in the middle' of this country wouldn't like his values anyway, but for those of us on the coast (who are frequently accused of having none) we just chalk it up to his Hollywood ways. Stop being so darn sensitive and read for content over criticism.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#74034Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:34:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74034Donna, Mahopac, NYI'm happy to respond to C.A. Tuscaloosa, AL regarding Rudy Guiliani and his contribution to NY and the Country and why I favor him to be elected President of the United States. It's true that circumstance does change a person and affect their behavior. But one hopes that the behavior is affected in a positive way. Look at the manner in which Mayor Nagan "reacted" to Katrina. Even though he had the ability to get his citizens out of the way of Katrina, he did not do so. Even though he knew that the levies could break and most probably would break during such an intense storm, he did nothing to prevent it from happening. Even though he had the busses and forms of transportation to evacuate his citizens from New Orleans, he did not use the resources he had at his disposal effectively and in the midst of all the angish, his message was one of blame on others and lack of responsibility for himself. In contrast when judging how people handle emense tradegy and how they face those dilemias, Guiliani took a city who's crime was enourmous and reduced it significantly which exceeded all national figures due to the most focused form of policing in history. Before he was major he was an attorney who prosecuted high-profile cases including organized crime including the heads of New York's Five Families. Its was highlighted as the "most significant assaults on the infrastructure of organized crime since the high command of the Chicago Mafia in 1943". He was also instrumental in taking down Michael Milken and Ivan Boesky who's fortune amounted to 200 million by "betting" on corporate takeovers. He charged Milken with 98 counts of racketeering and fraud... Milken was indicted for that crime. Guiliani transformed Times Square in New York city from a drug and crime infested neighborhood to one of the biggest tourist areas in New York City by bringing in Disney and MTV studios. This goes to his ability to bring prosperity into a city that was run by druglords and prostitution for years. As for his personal integrity, Guiliani rejected the $10 million dollar donation from the Saudi Prince Alwaleed after 911 mainly due to the Prince's suggestion the United States deserved the attacks of 911 based on their policies in the Middle East. And speaking of 911, Guiliani was literally "In" the trade center when the planes hit. A division of the Port Authority ran its offices from the Trade Center. Guiliani ran for his life that morning and yet still managed to compose himself to communicate what was going on at Ground Zero and within the city limits. He made frequent appearances on radio and tv to communicate critical information to the public. He balanced the need to make hundreds of decisions directly and immediately, detegated hundreds of others and to visit the injured and console families of the dead. In interviews after the fact, Guiliani has admitted to crying his eyes out when he was alone but composing himself when in public which goes to his heart and sensitivity. He also made an attempt to be present at every single firefighter and police officers funeral following 911. It was noted in Time Magazine in which he was named "Person of the Year" that "he could be counted on to unite a city in the midst of its greatest crisis"..."He left a city immeasureable better off - safer, more prosperous, more confident - than the one he had inherited eight years earlier, even with the smoldering ruins of the World Trade Center at its heart". The only reason he left office shortly after 911 was his term as mayor had expired. He was not allowed to run for another term and 2 weeks after 911, his term officially ended with the election of Mayor Bloomberg. Of course there is criticism of Guiliani. Anyone can find a million reasons NOT to like or respect someone. But these are just some of the reasons I admire Rudy Guiliani.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#74310Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:37:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74310C A Tuscaloosa, AL.MT: I am from middle America and don't know who David Geffen is. Call me ignorant, out-of-touch (he--, I'm not running for Pres.), a hayseed if you like, but I could care less who David Geffen is. The author's comments didn't bother me a bit. I wonder why she even gives this guy and the flap between Hillery and Obama the time of day. When I study and make a selection who to support and vote for, be it a democrat or republican, I make that deicision on my own. I could care less who David Geffen is supporting or backing with his money, mouth, whatever. As far as I know he could be a brilliant individual or an idiot with toys in the attic. Whichever, that's his problem. What bothers me is that some people might even be persuaded by this guy, or let what he says, or someone covering his comments, upset them. And that is the trouble with this country. When deciding who to nominate and elect for President, rather than studying the candidates on their own, too many listen to the likes of Geffen, members of the news media, those right wing / liberal pundits on the boob tube, their spouses, their dog, whatever. Geeessshhh. I know of some sheep down the road that act less like sheep than most voters. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#76209Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:20:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76209Michael, Simi, Ca.Yeah, Im a Left-Coaster, and I know too well the "Geffins", and other Hebraic "movers and shakers" who secretly plot to control all they cant get their grubby hands on. Support/Non-support of a contender for public office is a huge money machine that just sucks all of us "jes' folks" dry. I simply do not support ANY candidate for ANY office. I certainly will not for a person with "Hussein" in their name! If we can "lose" Bush and Cheney, then guess what? Pelosi wins! Yay! She is probably the only right person for the job. It's not that new, fresh faces should not be salted in the running list, but a question of trusting an entirely unknown element. Barak Hussein Obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing. An accident waiting to happen. A sham of smoke and mirrors to distract us from real stuff. The joke is on us. Im not laughing.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#76658Fri, 02 Mar 2007 02:55:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76658Liam Brent Kelly Homeless/StatelessThe length of this blog and it's replies says it all...Heil Hilary is taking the dems down and the mormons/kkk/bible-dumpers/sons and daughters of satan are set to steal another election...awesome...hope the treasury THAT is being emptied results in all you losers having your wealth liquidated into air as the lives of innocent people are pushed aside for this...(insert worse word you can think of)...end of arguement. augustus bushie III '08 and more war profiteering anarchy as everyone exploits the conflict for political and economic cornbread....yeeeeeeeeehahhttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/22/64932.aspx#77555Fri, 02 Mar 2007 23:04:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:77555Steve, Camden, SCLooks like Hillary is doomed. Hastily arranging a visit to Selma, AL and bringing Bill along is proof her campaign is OVER! Inside, I am sure Bill is thinking "See? It's ME they love, not you Hillary!" Hopefully, Hillary will learn her lesson after eating a big slice of humble pie, served up by the Obama campaign. Hillary didn't give a hoot in Hades for Selma, AL a month ago!