http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspxJust days after the United Nations declared that Iran failed to comply with a Security Council resolution demanding that Iran cease its uranium enrichment activities, Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad remarked, “Iran’s nuclear program is an unstoppableen-USCommunityServer 2.0 (Build: 60608.1)http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74334Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:46:18 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74334Ali MoradWe have a saying in Persian that "If you visit the judge by yourself, you will certainly come back a happy camper". Your article has some valid points but it's not well balanced. I agree that the behavior in Tehran has to change but what about the behavior in Washington? It seems like two extreme sides are feeding off of each other. Please try to be more objective. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74351Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:53:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74351Paul GillC'mon Francona, there is nothing that the Iranians are doing (vis a vis the "bomb" or otherwise) that the world's other nuclear states aren't doing on a daily basis; just yesterday Pakistan announced the development of a new ballistic missile which could carry its nukes deeper into India. This on a day when Pakistan might not have been (1) selling its nuclear technology; (2) harboring the Taliban; (3) funding madrassas; (4) fomenting Islamic fundamentalism; (5)........ (oh, you get the idea). Iran is a sovereign country, and is entitled to do what the hell it wants (which is how every other nuclear state obtained the bomb). Please tell us: how exactly is what Iran is doing ANY worse than what (our buddies) the Pakistanis are doing, on a daily basis?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74358Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:56:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74358john doesbuy gold and take the wild ride, we are in for trouble from foreigners and our own govt and the Federal Reserve...... protect yourself from your own government.... terrible isnt it ?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74391Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:08:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74391Yusef How hypocritical. Iran isnt doing anything that every other country isnt already doing. United states, India, Britian, Canada, ect. Are all doing it.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74393Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:09:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74393C A, Tuscaloosa, AL.I think Ahmadinejad is in trouble and the people of Iran will one day boot him out of his office. What is frightening however, even after hearing the voices of opposition in his country and being slapped on the wrist by Iran's religiuous leaders for his agressive rhetoric, Ahmadinejad still plunges ahead with the same agressive, combative speeches. Does he know something we don't know? He needs very careful watching. We may be on the right path however now that Bush and Rice have been forced to invite Iran and Syria for talks regarding the stabilzation of Iraq. We need to welcome there involvment with open arms, make them feel important and big as players in bringing some stability to Iraq. If they bite and help in the stabilization process they will look like heros at home. If not they will look like fools being left behind by their neighbors. The people of Iran do not want to be seen as outcast or wish to act as a rouge nation. These talks are the perfect opportunity to calm everyone down and to bring some semblance of stability to Iraq so we can bring our military personel home. Now if the Bush administration would just get on their knees and ask Governor Bill Richardson to be our spokesperson at these talks for us, all might just turn out well. Otherwise, forget it. A Bush administration spokesperson would end up threatening Iran and Syria across the table before the talks even started. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74416Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:16:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74416DerekThe Iranian president has stated that his goal was to wipe Israel off the map and denies that that the Hitler lead Germans never murdered over 6 million Jews. It's obvious that he like many others in the middle east will not be happy until Israel is gone. I hope the sanctions work, but Iran is serious threat and cannot be trusted. If you think they are you should go there after Friday prayer so you can hear the leaders of the chuch lead the crowds in the traditional chant of "death to America" which as been going on for the last 25 years. They may be doing the same things other countries are doing, but at the bare minimum there should be little or no trust of there intentions when it comes to atomic energy. Iran is sitting on top of a lake of oil why would they need atomic energy?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74437Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:23:36 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74437Mark Gurney, Manteca, CA.It is difficult for the American Public at large to know of or learn of the truth regarding Iran's nuclear intentions. Other motives (Global economics) are present between the the U.S. and Iran that drives the existing U.S/Iran conflict . Further investigation is needed along the lines of Iran's oil contracts in Euros instead of U.S. $ with China and other countries. Further investigation is needed along the lines of the role Iraq and Iran have played in reducing the emphasis the world place on the U.S $ as a reserve Currency. Further investigation is needed to understand the Impact of petro-Currency recycling as it relates to our national debt, which is around $8.7 trillion. Further investigation is needed to understand the cause of the U.S.$ declining value, and the world's need to reduce exposure.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74438Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:23:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74438Aaron Thacker, Louisville KentuckyYou should not compare Iran and Pakistan!!! We are not finding bombs and military from Pakistan in Iraq like Iran are we. Yes other countries have nuclear weopans but as a community we should all be cautious as to who can develop them now especially any country that could be harboring terrorist and that has no respect for the rest of the nations. If Iran did not have all the oil it does I beleive they would have been in big trouble by now. I hate to ever see us go to war again as i feel for the people that have been killed or injured but i think that if things don't change we could be headed for a confrontation with Iran in the future.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74462Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:29:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74462Paul - OmahaResponding to Paul Gill's question - how is Iran different from any other "nuclear state"? - Iran is seemingly being run by a maniac - who has basically threatened to wipe Israel off the map. Iran - as we now know - is shipping weapons into Iraq that are killing our soldiers. Do you think it's plausible (if they actually ever get "the bomb") they would give or sell this technology to Al Qaeda - or the Taliban - or God knows who else? That's the difference between Iran and Pakistan, or India, or Russia, or China,or anyone else who has nuclear capability.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74498Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:37:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74498rick rodriguez, corpus christi , TXIf the government of Iran does not represent the will of its people, it still speaks for them. Sort of like the Bush administration. 43's credibility is practically nil. So what's all of this garble about spreading democracy in these countries. We need to clean up here at home first. Then allow the natural order of things to take its course. After all, armed middle eastern countries only threaten the Zionist occupation....not us Americans. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74510Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:41:09 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74510Jon Murdis, Manistee, MichiganWhat is with the threats of military force? Have we learned nothing from Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq?? After 9/11 we had the world with us, now they're all against us. This Country, our great USA, has been around for what, two hundred years?? Does anybody know how long the Perisans ruled? We're like the new kid on the block on steroids, forgetting the history lessons the Persians, Romans, Greeks, etc. have learned, NO COUNTRY is infallible, and if we upset enough people, war will probably be on our soil next time, and I don't mean terrorists. When China, Russia, and Iran (which are united in their views of the USA) decided they've had enough, we will be in real trouble. The point is, we're stretched to thin, trying to tell the world how to act, and threatening them when they don't do what we want. It's okay for India and Pakistan to have the Nuclear edge, but not Iran. So, does that sound hypocritical to anybody else?? The current administration does more "sabre rattling" than anyone, it's no surprise that Iran and North Korea are taking an aggressive posture, look at our failed foreign policy. Want change, vote out every incumbent politician, and make change happen.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74528Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:44:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74528Edward, Los AngelesI disagree slightly with Mr. Francona that sanctions would not be effective in the short term. Why? Because of Mr. Francona's own argument: sanctions will further sow the seeds of discontent: economic frustration, international isolation (although the Iraq quagmire makes that more difficult), national pride wounding due to that isolation, etc etc ... But that said, I am growing very tired of these taunts and insults and threats from the Iranian President. I am also alarmed by their nuclear and missile programs, which we seem to have a good evaluation of. Contrary to what reader Paul Gill wrote, sovereignty stops when another country's defense interests begins, especially when the Iranian President has essentially advocated continuing the "final solution" (many scholars and average joes think genocide or genocidal threats also trump sovereignty). I don't think my country will tolerate a nuclear Iran, nor an Iran with ICBM delivery systems (in case there's a nuclear program that we don't know about). And contrary to what has been debated here, America is held back only by its values and discipline. Iran would be complete toast in an unconditional conventional war.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74571Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:02:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74571David Portland OR.I do not think that Israel will tolerate a nuclear armed Iran in any way shape or form. Some sort of military action by Irael is likley within the next six months. Iran will retaliate and this will be the excuse the US needs to conduct limited air strikes against legitimate military targets. Just wait.... http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74582Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:07:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74582Shane B, Covington, KYI'm just happy that we have 150,000 of the best soldiers in the world on the doorstep of Iran when they do decide to build the bomb. The strategy to put soldiers in Iraq is a genius one in my opinion and Iran is falling right into our trap by supplying weapons to the Iraqi separatists and defying the U.N. There creating more allies for our imminent war against them. Those of you who ever thought this war was about Iraq were dead wrong. This war has always been about Iran and to even talk of pulling our troops out is absurd. The lack of faith many of you people show in American intelligence is mind-boggling. Let's keep the wedge between Iran and Syria for as long as we possibly can. In fact, I don't think we should ever pull out of Iraq until Iran and Syria become free and responsible states. We're still in Korea aren't we? Isn't that a good thing?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74596Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:12:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74596Aunt MillieWar brings prosperity.Right? We all know that the fallout from a nuclear explosion or so-called dirty bomb differienciates liberal from conservitives. So what is there to fear? It is just another way to put more money in the pockets of the real Americans at the expense of the scum that make up the 99% of the populace within the borders of The United States.If only old Longshanks were alive today he would be ecstatic at the way the real Amerikans are making his dream a reality.It gives a whole new definition to OLAGHARCY. And oh yes it is true the bit about scum. Just start a conversation with any cop and they will tell you so.We need to take some lessons fom the French when and after the allies purged the nazis from Paris during WW11. Yes, with war many changes are made and many times these changes are for the good of us all. History is the light that illuminates the present. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74607Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:16:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74607Paul Gill, Seattle, WAAhem: let me go through the list: "Aaron Thacker", it has long been understood that elements of the Pakistani intelligence services sympathize with both the Taliban and Al Qaeda (they were one of the last countries to continue to recognize the Taliban government in Afghanistan). Do you really think that Pakistani money, training, fighters and materiel are not making their way into Iraq? "Paul (from) "Omaha": there are many in the world who think that we are led by a maniac. Unlike us (and every other nuclear state) Iran has not yet sold or given any nuclear technology to anyone (to use your quote back at you: "That's the difference between Iran and Pakistan, or India, or Russia, or China,or anyone else who has nuclear capability"). Where is the evidence that they would give the technology to anyone (and risk self-annihilation as a result?). To "Edward" (from) "Los Angeles": "sovereignty" doesn't "end" because another country's interests are threatened; that is why it is called "sovereignty" (look it up). There is NO credibe authority who asserts otherwise (hence the notion on international law, which deals with relationships BETWEEN sovereign states). And finally, to you all: I am not an apologist for Iran (or the U.S. for that matter) but try to remember that since the 1979 revolution Iran has not started a war with anybody. Through that time we were coddling the mujahedin, coddling Saddam (yep, that means you, Francona), coddling the Saudis and coddling the Israelis. Now really, is not a little introspection warranted here? http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74617Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:19:52 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74617Al, Burlington, KSFrom what I read, Iran's missle was a sub-oribital flight, not a ballistic missle capable of reaching the US, so let's not cry Mushroom Cloud just yet. Iran's economy is based mostly on oil, so the real solution to Iranian ambitions is to reduce our use of oil, and with lower consumption and the help of the Saudis, reduce the price of oil. That's the battleground that will not cost more American lives. It's strange that we do not hear much from the administration on this. If they really wanted to curb Iran, they would ask us to conserve oil. They would tell us that it was our patriotic duty to conserve oil. Imagine what a 10% reduction in US consumption would do to the oil markets. Ah, but this administration, beholding to big oil, has no desire to wage a war on the economic front. Bombs, missles, bullets and wasted lives is all they know.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74625Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:20:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74625jerryl hycheIf Iran wants to become a nuclear power, send them about 30 of our 200KT warheads. It has been proven to deter an agressive society. Look what 2 of our 7KT warheads did to Japan. We will never have to worry about their agressiveness again.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74626Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:21:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74626Teresa, OklahomaIt occurs to me that since Iran seems incapable of "stopping" their own train and so desperately desires to have nuclear weapons, we should, by all means, give them one. While we are at it, we may as well send one to North Korean president, Kim Jong-il. I don't really want to hear how other nations wouldn't tolerate it. For pity's sake, how much farther down the ladder of contempt can we fall? And, if we have any intention of stopping either of these run-away trains, the time is now--before all those lucky male babies--the survivors of China's "one-child" policy--become the greatest military power ever known. China has already begun to flex her muscles--refusing to rein in North Korea, shooting satelites from space, and stealing who-knows-how-much poorly guarded technology from the US and others. How long do you really think it will be before the US is no more? Use it, or lose it. We can stop this train without invading Iran--we just choose not to.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74644Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:25:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74644chuck habelow arcadia floridaB52 strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities are about the best we can do. Give war a chance,and fight terror with terror.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74669Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:34:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74669Marwan IbrahimWhy should Iran not acquire nuclear capabilities, weaponry or otherwise? If intent and usage should be the measure, then the United States should be required to give up its' own nuclear arsenal, considering it alone has brought nuclear annihilation upon women and children. Iran is not currently occupying another sovereign state, nor is it selling laser guided bombs to be used on civilians. Leave Iran alone, and it will leave you alone. Salaam. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74677Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:35:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74677James Thomas, Denver, COOverall the article is pretty good but I take issue with some of the generalizations. The worst one for me is "In Iraq, American forces have detained members of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps special operations unit, the Qods (Jerusalem) Force. Iran is providing advanced weaponry to Shia militias, weapons that are killing American troops." Are we not fighting the Sunnis primarily. 90%+ of U.S. fatalities are from the Sunni insurgents and they are backed by our Friends in Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Aren't the Iraqi government's backers, if not sponsors, also Shiites, the same Shiites that back the militias? Why would Iran be trying to destabilize a government they basically already control? Also, why is the U.S. Military showing off weapons they say came from Iran clearly marked "Made in the U.A.E." when the U.A.E is an entirely different country and one we count as an ally in the war on terror? There may be good explanations but I have yet to hear them.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74692Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:39:43 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74692Simmons Spain, Lynchburg, VaIt is igonorance to indicate that Iran has the same rights to nuclear arms as other countries. That guy is a nut from the get go. I believe he will take care of himself, by that I mean I do not get the feeling he is well respected by his countrymen or others in the region. To the contrary, I have the feeling they think he is as unstable and dangerous as most westerners think. I have been a republican all of my life, and I still consider myself a republican. I graduated from a military college, I was commissioned and served 7 years in the Air Force. I have spent quite a bit of time in middle eastern countries and I participated in the first gulf "pre-season" game. BUT WE NEED A CHANGE AND WE NEED IT VERY, VERY, BADLY. When I say that I have been, and remain, a republican, I mean I have considered myself a staunch republican for many years. However, we all need to start thinking of ourselves as AMERICANS first and foremost. I was particularly fond of Mr. Jon Murdis' comments, indicating that we (America)are the "new kid on the block (acting) as if we are on steriods." There is nothing more true, we need to get off of the steriods and start acting like a world leader again. We need a new President, we need a hero. I read an article some time ago about how lucky our country has been regarding the presidents we have had during our most dire national crises (Abe Lincloln, John Kennedy, etc). We are in a dire situation now and I, for one, am praying for a hero - I don't care if they are black, female, democrat or republican. I listened intently one day to Mr. Baker and Mr. Hamilton as they answered questions during a Senate hearing regarding their Iraq plan. How can a President NOT LISTEN TO MEN OF SUCH HONOR AND INTELLIGENCE? They know what they are talking about, and they were/are providing advice as Americans, not as a republican and a democrat. If I were President Bush I would set up a desk in the White House for those two gentleman and General Colin Powell, then I would take about a month off and let them begin to get us on the right track again.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74694Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:40:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74694Alex Feldman, Boston, MAthe issue with Iran has very little to do with a possible bomb in a distant future and a lot to do with a great new geopolitical game involving US, Europe, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Russia, India, Pakistan and China. US is in a fight to preserve its world domination acieved in a large part by controlling the ME oil via its "special relations" with Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states rather then let the Europe and the rest to seek alternatives in Russia and Iran. Saudi Arabia and other suni Arab states are afraid from their own opressed shia population which could be more loyal to Iran. Israel is seeking to exploit the rift among Arabs to the limit. Russia is hoping the US will blow the ME to such an extend, it will remain the only reliable source of energy. Along the way, Euriope will break from US domination. in fact, Russia is the only player poised to win in any outcome except establishment of pro-american regime in Iran - an extreamly improbable outcome. If America loses in a ME - the lost will be catastrofic for American World domination dream, probably forever. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74700Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:41:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74700Mike, dayton ohioI think that Iran should do what it pleases with nuclear power or weapons, that is it's right. We have the right to re-target our nuclear tipped misses, that is our right. But, I wonder to what degree this situation is cooked, like Iraq was, and like Vietnam was. I dont trust this administration worth a damn, so I tend to dismiss most of what it says. I dont see much difference between Bush/Chenney and Ahmadinejad in intellect and intent. We went to Afghanistan, that was justified. Then we pulled our resources out of there and went to Iraq on the basis of lies and deception. Now our good soldiers are paying for it, as well as their families, and the American people have lost faith and trust in our governmant. Not a good deal. I came to the conclusion a long time ago that this administration is amongst the most, if not is the most, moraly degenerate ones this great nation has ever had to put up with. Think it will change when the Democrats get in? Ha! Okay, so I may win a trip to Quantanamo, get myself "dissapeared". What the hell, I prefer truth to truthiness anyway.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74723Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:47:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74723Scott - Kirkland, WAWe will never know if they can be stopped because we have a administration that only knows one way to do anything - Bribe it or bomb it - If that don't work give up - If they could honestly work diplomatically on the situation you never know what could happen. That said it needs to be done with a whole new administration as this one has lost credibility throughout the world and a change of face will be question heavily making it a impossible task for this one nowhttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74739Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:52:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74739Bill Thomas Surrey BCThe information about Iran supplying weapons to Shiites insurgents is managed news. Who's supplying the Sunni insurgents? This is never mentioned. The current focus on Iran is part of the neocon roadmap. First the foothold in Iraq, then go after Iran and Syria. Not till years from now will the U.S. turn on its current allies, ie Saudi Arabia. The stragegy is divide and rule, it's too much to tackle all those countries at once.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74746Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:57:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74746mikePlease excuse me, but I think Iran is a Bush Administration created problem. Iran has been the recipient of too much U.S. attention over the years. People keep talking about the takeover of the U.S. Embassy after the Shah was booted out, but conveniently forget that it was our CIA that put the Shah in power, that he had a secret police that were every bit as murderous of the Shia majority as Saddam's secret police. Iran, moreover, has extended numerous olive branches and has been kicked in the teeth because or in spite of them. Most recently, in 2001, Iran participated in formulating the post Taliban government of Afghanistan. Prior to that, they *aided* U.S. troops, even allowing fly overs of military aircraft, when we were fighting the Taliban and searching for Osama Bin Laudin. Iran's reward for this? In the 2002 State of the Union, Ms. Rice inserted them as part of the Axis of Evil. Look, nothing good is going to happen in Iraq unless the Iranian's agree to participate. Don't you think it's about time we started treating that *democratically elected* government with some respect. We may not like their President, and I think he is an idiot, but he IS the President chosen by a majority of the Iranian people. Deal with it!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74750Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:58:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74750Chris in Chicagoi agree with the first comment- be more objective. Saying Iran is supplying Iraq with weapons that are killing us is unfounded, as stated earlier by General Pace, a day after the President tried this propaganda stunt. The truth is, We were selling used jet parts to Iran through a 3rd party. Doesn't that mean we're just as guilty for fueling Iran's power? Stop trying to instigate more hatred and idiocy. What we need now is level,objective, and truthful talk on these matters, not propaganda based agenda fueled editorials. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74757Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:00:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74757Jeff, Detroit, MIWhat separates Iran and the other countries mentioned is the fact that, while most other countries submit their facilities to IAEA inspections, Iran has barred inspectors from their facilities. It's the lack of transparency that causes the other nations of the world to assume the worst, based on the character of their leadership. Iran has every right to a peaceful nuclear power program, but they must earn that right by demonstrating their intentions to their neighbors. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74774Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:06:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74774Vinnie, Sacramento, CAThis is in response to Ali Morad. The behavior in Washington comes as a direct result of the attacks of 9/11. You can say that Iran had nothing to do with those attacks. I recall constantly hearing that Iran is a direct sponsor of terrorist groups (IE: Hezbollah). The war we are currently fighting is against terrorism. Iran can not wipe it's hands of the blood it has shed in the name of religion. No matter where we fight this war whether it be Iraq, Afghanistan or Iran it is a war that has to be fought. These people have made it clear they want all Americans dead so why should we try to negotiate or even wait around for them to get their wish.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74827Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:20:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74827Bohdan SzejnerWe must try to reason with Iran and North Korea somehow. Persians do not think as we do, which makes them more dangerous. They are Zoroastrians, believers in Good and Evil Spirits (Spenta and Angra). They are convinced that there is a perennial war going on between the two. It's a replica of the North Korean belief in a Yin Yang Reality! We are dealing with people who are mentally different, but we should be able to overcome these differences through Wisdom. If we do not, there hardly will be any dialogue, any common ground! People like these need dictators and breed dictators, Good or Bad ... who tell them who is Good and who is Evil, with whom to associate. The moral is: we must try to get on their dictators' side, to win! This is why I have been advocating that President Bush travel to see the North Korean leader very soon, and also that overtures be made to Ayatollah Kameini through, let's say, Dr. Javad Zarif. We can hardly win if we are branded as the Great Satan by these "black/white" minds!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74828Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:20:15 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74828AJ Akron, OHThat's correct Dave from Portland....But can Israel stand alone in such a conflict? Or will they call for big Brother USA to help? I say drop them all today... and get out of Iraq as well. So many countries have danced in the sand over there, and found it was not worth it. If we need to go in...go in with nukes, or not at all. Focus on improvements within our own country until that time. Period! Hidden agendas, special interests etc. are fogging things up. If we are at war, then go to war. No pussy footing around. And, when it's done then get the hell back. We are not back because it's not done. It was never done right! We never had a good enough reason to do it right! And, we cannot continue to cat and mouse in the middle East with nukes around. This is not the 1970's. Ground forces and air strikes are not enough to combat this region any longer and win a war.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74831Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:20:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74831William James, NJHas anyone ever heard the term: MAD or Mutually assured destruction? The US & Soviets used it & although there were a few close calls, for the most part it kept the world safe from nuclear holocaust. Well, even if Iran were to build nuclear weapons even they wouldn't be stupid enough to actually use them against Israel or the US or Saudi Arabia because then Iran would instantly be wiped off the face of the earth by US nuclear weapons or what would be know as "Assured Destruction" of Iran. So it really doesn't matter if Iran gets it's nuclear weapon or not. All it would be is a trophy in their trophy case, a deterent against someone invading them, & just one more thing that the Israelis will worry about but that's not the US fault. They choose to live a dangerous region not us.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74850Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:26:04 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74850HJ Whitaker, Sacramento, CAIranians and their fantastic selves and nation are alluring and wonderful, but also prone to implosion, as has occurred so often throughout their amazing history; my point being, that Iran is not an "unstoppable train", as the Iranian people so often decide to derail such trains!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74856Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:27:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74856Ramjet, Kelseyville CA aka Al Marshick[Maj USAF ret]I fully agree with David Portland OR. Israel will not tolerate Iran having an operational Nuclear capability, particularly in light of Ahmadinejad's goal of destroying Israel. The Iranian President seems almost Psychotic in his pronouncements. One a-bomb in Tel aviv would wipe out 40% of the Israeli populace. What would you do if you were Israel? Six to 8 months before Israeli takes action seems to be a very good estimate, followed by appropriate conventional action by the US.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74860Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:28:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74860Scott Southerland, Ft Walton Beach FLIt's real simple here folks, either Iran will do a 180 or the leadership is going to get taken out. One evening while the clerics and their stupid little president are in parliment ranting and raving about the great satan, a US submarine will launch a cruise missle that will fly undetected about 50 feet off the ground until it gets to the intended target. That target is the current leadership which is the last thing our world needs here in the near future. Get rid of these fools now for the greater good of the world. Cut the head of the snake off and the body will die. Don't worry about the oil, they'll keep selling it, after all, isn't money what makes everything and anything happen in our world?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74865Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:30:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74865Scott Southerland, Ft Walton Beach FLIt's real simple here folks, either Iran will do a 180 or the leadership is going to get taken out. One evening while the clerics and their stupid little president are in parliment ranting and raving about the great satan, a US submarine will launch a cruise missle that will fly undetected about 50 feet off the ground until it gets to the intended target. That target is the current leadership which is the last thing our world needs here in the near future. Get rid of these fools now for the greater good of the world. Cut the head of the snake off and the body will die. Don't worry about the oil, they'll keep selling it, after all, isn't money what makes everything and anything happen in our world?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74873Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:32:02 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74873S. Roberts, ChicagoThe diffence between the West and Iran is that the West don't glorify self destruction. How can you be a Responsible nuclear power if you advacate Suicide Bombings.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74880Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:33:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74880Erik, Santa Clara, CAThis is just stupid. Iran signed the NPT and now the big powers want to back out of it. If no one can prove Iran is building nukes then they should just STFU. Iran has the right to enrich uranium. It's in the treaty. What ever happened to the part of the NPT that says the nuclear powers should be working to get rid of their nukes? It’s just never going to happen. So as far as I’m concerned Iran can enrich uranium under the NPT as it’s written. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74881Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:33:57 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74881Don Zucker, Boynton Beach, Fla.Eastern Iraq has been part of the Persian Empire for 5000 years with a continuous Persian (Iranian) presence during that time. America has been in Iraq for 4 years yet has turned the tables on Iran by complaining that Iran is "meddling." Iraq and its people got separated from the territory of Iran by the invasion of foreign forces. They want it back. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74890Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:35:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74890me myself and I, usaOne must always consider context and intent when examining internation actions and the dealings of nations. Today's nuclear powers did so in the face of what was considered in part to be a threat. The US in WWII, the Soviets in response to the US in the cold war, giving it the Chinese as a fellow communist power, our Western allies in the face of Soviet posturing in Europe, Pakistan and Indian as a balance against each other, and Israel in the face of obliteration at the hands of all its middle eastern neighbors. Where is the threat to Iran for which they need such weapons? Israel is not going to preemptively launch a nuclear strike. It might do so in the face of overwhelming conventional attack, or in response to a wmd attack. No, Iran wants such weapons because it can make them and can then threaten others with them. Just as N.Korea developed them in the face of paranioia regarding threats to it and in order to preserve its regime through atomic detterence. I used to think in the aftermath of 9/11 that such weapons would end in the hands of terrorists, and I supported the attack on Iraq when I was persuaded that wmds were there. I've since come to believe that no nation-state, however irrational its rhetoric, would actually or intentionally just give such weapons to terrorists. There's too much potential for backlash leading to regime change, and the one thing Iran's leadership wants is to stay in its leadership position.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74920Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:42:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74920James Brown, Seattle , WashingtonMr. Rodriguez, do you honestly believe after every past Israeli victory over the combined efforts of the Arabic states means nothing? If Iran threatens Israel in any creditable way, you can bet that it will destroy Iran to the ground. You forget that Israel is a nuclear power. Should it even appear that Israel would be destroyed by the Arab powers, they would take the rest of the middle east out with them. Just about like how if the US were in any threat of actual invasion, we would first try and repel it, and then if that fails, take out the rest of the world with our immense nuclear stockpile. As for Hypocrisy, there is a reason the US acts the way it does. We allowed the world to do as it wished after WWI. World War II happened as a result. We allow the rest of the world to manage itself, and it begins destroying itself again. We are only out there to prevent the it again. But, I'm tired of being Mr. Policeman. Let them kill each other, and lets just reap the benefits of their wars by selling them weaponshttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74922Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:42:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74922Douglas norwood pa.all trains can be stoped sometimes on their own sometimes they need to be derailed Israel can not let Iran have a nuelear bomb and must stop them God willing.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74931Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:47:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74931Franco, Lapaz, MexicoSo let me get this straight, Its OK for US to go and far out reach its borders and have thousands of Nuclear weapons, and defy UN and kill and invade. But when US does it, its for the good, why? oh we have popular vote for our dictators who can be there for 4 or 8 years no matter how stupid and authocratic they are. But if any other country does this, they are terrorists and extremists... come on, how stupid do you think the world is...?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74936Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:48:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74936Fitz, Atlanta, GAI don’t see why we keep fighting nations over wanting nuclear weapons? For the most part, countries want them as protection from stronger countries like the U.S. The MAD theory is still an effective deterrent to offensive use of nuclear weapons so even if Iran had them, they would have no practical use. I suppose they could sell them, but nuclear materials have unique signatures which would point to the original source of the weapon. We have a greater chance of being nuked by a weapon stolen from the Russians than from a weapon sold by the Iranians. And in pragmatic terms, why should the US stick its neck out over this issue? No other country in the world is seriously concerned about nuclear proliferation. It will take an actual nuclear attack against Europe or the United States to wake people up to the real danger. Until that happens, why continue to aggravate the world? (Note to Yusef – I rather doubt the Canadians are working on building their own nuclear arsenal – they are a country of tree huggers!)http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74939Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:48:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74939Fred Gibbns, Oak Park, ILLet's look at one of the paragraphs in the article by switching names of Iran and US. "There is real discontent inside US. That discontent comes not only from the minority African-American and Hispanic minorities, all of which have aspirations, but from the majority White population as well. The Whites fear that Bush’s taunting of Iran will further isolate US, viewed by many as a pariah state already. It is this fear that dealt a real blow to Bush’s favored candidates in the recent elections. The people are also blaming high unemployment and inflation on Bush’s disastrous economic policies.' How true! But when it comes to our own faults and problems, we are blind to them. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74942Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:50:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74942bob shepardiran and its leaders remind us who understand another country in another time of what agression unchecked will lead the usa to.what will it take to wake up the bleeding hearts from the demo party to the real truth.the next attack is already planned this time americans will be shocked to find it came from the southern nations just south of the rio grand river.say it want happen prove me wrong you do not allow 30 millon people into a country without ids and remain a free people iran or what ever country may use as a name america is a nation without leadership america is slipping into a sleep it want awake fromhttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74979Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:00:42 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74979Mike, Miami, FlWith great power comes great responsibility. Iran would use a Nuclear weapon if it had one. The reason nuclear weapons exist are as a deterant, you attack me I attack you, no one wins. This only works with countries that has cultures that value human life. Radical islam does not, therefore should never be allowed to get the bomb, period. This is not hypocracy, this is common sense.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#74993Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:05:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:74993Ron San Diego, CaliforniaSomehow, since we have about 10,000 or so nuclear ICB missiles pointed at about every part of the universe, I can see why every country looks at us and has to question what kind of a peaceful nation we are to be telling everyone else what they should be doing. Just because we say that we are the "good guys", that doesn't quite make it with the rest of world. I never could understand how even if Saddam had the capability of striking the U.S. with some kind of a weapon (gas or whatever) and killed a few thousand of us, and then we retaliated and wiped him off the map, that that would have made any sense whatsoever. How many times do we have to keep on saying that he was just a thug in his own surroundings and nothing else? This clown in Iran is just about the same. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75021Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:15:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75021Steve, Cincinnati, OHThe limit to the nuclear community was adopted as a general rule nearly 50 years ago. Tehran is run by nutcases that have the people terrified. I'd say, give the Israelis the intelligence that we have, turn them loose, and then protect their backs in the Security Council. The Russians and Chinese have protected terrorist and rogue nations for years, we ought to be able to protect someone that is our tru freind in the region.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75023Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:16:55 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75023Vernon delRay, Austin, TXTypical media spin, gee thanks Colonel. US Generals were quoted last week as stating that there is no direct evidence that the government of Iran provided any weaponry to any factions within Iraq. The only evidence appears to be that some bomb making components were found that had Iranian origin, but there has been no link established that the Iranian government ordered them sent to Iraq. They may have, but we have no direct evidence. Before we all start the war mongering talk, let's get some real, CREDIBLE (read, not like Iraq) evidence of Iranian government involvement. If we did a better job of securing the Iraq/Iran border, perhaps we would have intercepted these bomb making components, or at least discerned their actual origin. Let's not repeat the same mistakes that got us in Iraq in the first place.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75048Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:23:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75048Jon WIDavid, from Portland, nailed it on the head. Isreal didn't wait around for Sadam and Iraq to fully reach its nuclear abilities and struck. They will treat an Iranian nuclear threat just the same. It will "snowball" from there.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75049Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:23:13 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75049Steven, Dallas, TexasWow, I am amazed at what some people think the government of Iran is after in the way of an arms race with its neighbors. I mean come on here folks, do you really think that Ahmadinejad is after peace here when any given day you can turn on the news and see him giveing a speach where he declares his intentions of wipeing Isreal off the map and trying to iradicate as many westerners as he can. Do people here in the U.S. really think a man that spews such hate is really after peacefull nucular intentions, that is along the lines of saying the Germans were only interested in land exploration during WWII. Please people wake up and smell the roses, I hate war as much as anyone else, I have a brother-in-law that is as we speak is kicking in door in Iraq worring if he will ever make it back to my sister, but we must promote peace and democracy in the middle east. Everyone on here that preaches, it is only because of the oil over there, have hit the nail on the head, if you hand a terroristic dictator, whos only goal in life is to wipe out as many Americans and Jews, billions of dollars with no restrictions what do you really think he is going to do with the money. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75094Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:41:22 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75094Sid - Chicago, ILFirst off, every military expert anyone cares to speak to agrees that Iran is at least 5-10 years from creating a working nuclear weapon, let alone weaponising it, so lets not jump the gun here. Secondly, comparing Iran to other nuclear states is not valid - if Iran is close to going nuclear, a pre-emptive attack by Israel is almost guaranteed. this was not the case with other nuclear programs. Mos importantly, I think, why does the US keep playing into the hands of Iran? Why do we keep REACTING rather than pre-empting? Meaningless actions like broadcasting to groups are just that, meaningless, since the threats the US keeps issuing assures that power stays in the hands of the hardliners - much like the threat of a terror attack threat increases the popularity of Republicans here. If the Iran situation truly is to be de-escalated, the US needs to call Ahmedinejad's bluff - engage in direct talks (or something along the lines of the six party talks with NK) ask them what they want to stop their program, and make concessions similar to what were made with NK. Do not not give Iran room to out-maneuver the US, and stop reacting to their President's talk, which for all the alarms it raises, is mostly the politics of keeping control domestically and internationally using fear and threats that seem real, but are not. Makes sense? Comments?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75097Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:42:48 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75097Eric, Des Moines, IowaThere's been a lot of talk about Iran wanting to wipe Israel off the map. What everyone fails to recognize is that Israel is the biggest antagonist in the Middle East and they should bear the largest brunt of responsibility for the United States even being in this mess. Their constant threat of military action, treatment of Christian and Muslim citizens in Palestine and big brother (the U.S. gov't) giving them unwavering support regardless of the morality or ethics of their actions continues to perpetuate this struggle which will only end when both sides give up on their nationalist ideals. Perhaps we should be talking about the threat that is "Greater Israel"? Somebody pleae slap the guy in the White House and remind him that nobody makes policy decisions for the United States. The sooner that he realizes this and we as a country realize that the Cold War really never ended we will be able to find solutions to some of the world's most glaring problems. Until then we just continue to chase our tails...http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75105Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:46:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75105B ValceGuys/Dolls, Here's the difference between the rest of the world and the Iranian governments having Nuclear Weapons. The rest of the world has it but some of them know the consequenses if one is detonated. The Iranian governments don't care!The Iranian governments hates America and the west therefore there wouldn't mind sending us to the land of nothingness so there could enjoy the virgins in the afterlifehttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75111Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:50:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75111M.Keith....CaliforniaI would think if we had a train out of control, and heading for an unknown destination, the sane thing to do, would be to blow it up before it hurt innocent people. And by the way, If some of the American haters (above) hate America so much, maybe they should move to Iran........http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75169Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:22:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75169Dennis Key Edgewood New MexicoThe Iranians are not stupid. They have certainly observed that we did not speak to the North Koreans until the popped off an underground nuke. How can they doubt that if they put a bomb together and explode it underground it will bring the U.S. to the table? I personally believe Iran having nukes is right at the worst thing that could happen. If you believe you are in the arms of Allah if you die fighting the infidel, WOW! What a car bomb that would be!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75176Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:25:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75176Sharon MitchellNo one else is doing what Iran is doing except maybe Pakistan, Iran wants Jihad, it wants kaos and destruction so the "new "prophet will take over..personally I think religion is the ultimate terror and evil we must face,religion alone is responsible for this hatred..all religion should be banned and maybe we won't be in a place where every one in the world has a bomb in the name of their godhttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75243Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:06:14 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75243Nick, Palo Alto, CAGod help us if we're on a path to another warhttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75273Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:24:46 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75273sekander ali, port republic, njiran is a proud nation that once was a super power-- investment in nuclear weaponry is its response to our threatshttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75304Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:40:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75304Eric R.A runaway train can derail. I think he's trying to bluff Bush. Good luck.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75312Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:46:20 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75312Anthony, Boston,MAIran wants desperately to prove they are a world power...their egos are too big. To play the military games with the US that they are playing...they have some balls. But they know how to push the buttons right. Israel aint gonna back down, Iran aint gonna back down. USA got Israels back, china? russia? has got Irans back...this aint good.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75333Thu, 01 Mar 2007 00:58:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75333Juan in CAReading many of these comments I can only shake my head sadly and think that it is no wonder why our government treats us like unreasoning children fit only to be lied to. The Bush Gang clearly figure their lies don't even have to be particularly well constructed because we, the public, are just that ignorant and gullible. This ugly, awful mess we've already got going in the ME is about to get incalculably worse.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75350Thu, 01 Mar 2007 01:14:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75350J Wyatt, Tempe AZVery well written article written by someone who has obvious first-hand knowledge of the peoples and issues at stake. I am, however, dismayed at some of the comments written apparently by Americans. Some ask, "What is Iran doing that is any different than [insert country here]." Any well informed person would already know why Iran is a Pariah among nations. They would know about the Iranian Goverment that subsidizes suicide bombers in the holy land. They would know that the Iranian Government only obeys law, including its own, when it is in the best interest of Fundamentalist Islam, (totally ignoring the millions in their own country who aren't psychotic religious murderers). If your readers were even slightly informed, they would know that the President of Iran has declared that Israel will be 'Wiped off the map'. Now, I don't know about you, but I don't mind my neighbors owning a deadly weapon, ie car, shotgun, rifle, pistol, or even a bulldozer. As long as they were capable of exercising good jugement and restraint, they wouldn't hear a peep from me. This will change if my neighbors begin threatening my other neighbors with annihilation. I will then use all means neccessary to remove this threat from my neighborhood. Peer pressure, group pressure, eventually followed by law enforcement and if neccessary by main force. Iran does not understand civility. They accuse the US of supporting a coup in 1953, which in all actuality was a restoration to power. The Shah was a merciless dictator, but at least he wasn't a religious zealot that wanted to destroy all of the world and remake it in his image. I've lived with Islamic peoples in many places, I've got many opinions of them, their verious ethnic groups, and their religious schisms. They won't share this planet with us. Their backward and dangerous religion orders them to destroy us. Hiding behind political correctness and not bringing the truth to the people is a crime being perpetuated by the Media conglomerates who are fearful of islamomobs burning their buildings, killing their cameramen. Either way, Iran is going to be destroyed. Israel is going to nuke them after they nuke Israel or possibly in a pre-emptive strike. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see it coming. Or a reporter for that matter.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75353Thu, 01 Mar 2007 01:15:51 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75353john ontario canadawell ,well,well.has it ocurred to anyone's intellectual capacity that in fact the technology(long range ballistic missiles,squall torpedo,yada,yada,yada) that is being provided to the iranians may in all likelihood is fact being sourced from none other then the former soviet union,under the "expert tootalage" of the former head of the kgb,and we all know who that is.the russians are using the iranians by proxy ( which probably tantamount to "payback") for the meddeling of the cia against the soviet union in the 90's when the muhajahden chased the soviets out of afganistan with american supplied shoulder launched stinger missiles.without going on and on about this or that may i take this time to articulate that the real danger and threat to the modern world as we know it is flawed u.s. foriegn policy and nothing else.pain english....if you step on a hornet's nest what do you think is going to happen....duh!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75456Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:47:23 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75456Derek, Kingswood, TexasI agree with Mr Eric, Des Moines, Iowa. Anyone won't retaliate if their peace is not disturbed. Seems like a plot of land is never enough. Even a sovereign country loses through an illegal land take-over. So maybe the whole question is, why are the armed middle east want them out so much? Why when palestinian children died from being bombed or shot only deserve sympathy and why when an Israel soldier died, the whole thing turned chaotic? Does that knock some senses? There's nothing to do with religion here and all that's happening is a threat to global society. Iran's president in my opinion is trying to do what US failed to comprehend. But rather in an unwise method. Mind is much more powerful than any weapon. Understand the persian, greek and roman history and you will know what i mean.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75464Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:55:06 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75464Matt Del UlmThere are a lot of protestations that Iran has a right to do what it wants vis a vis nuclear technology. I submit that, when you are the world's number one state sponsor of terrorism, you do so at your own peril. How naive would the U.S. be to let Iran's nuclear proliferation go unchecked or at least uncontested? The United States likewise has a right to defend itself and, in today's terrorism-happy world, allowing a country like Iran to gain nuclear weapons is too much of a risk. Iran has been offered nuclear power from outside in exchange for ceasing their nuclear program, but have turned the offer down. Clearly their objective is the leverage gained by having the bomb and, with a holocaust-denying madman like Ahmedinijad in power, the U.S. is rightfully worried about that prospect. I say exhaust all diplomatic options, but we should not relax our vigilance when it comes to dissuading Iran from developing nuclear capability. That would be vastly ignorant and naive. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75489Thu, 01 Mar 2007 03:11:39 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75489Aamir Ali, Knoxville,TNTo Paul Gill: Pakistan has made some mistakes, but they dont do it everyday. You have read a lot of hostile media about Pakistan, thats doesnt mean you know anything about the country. Iran and Pakistan are two separate cases. The US has failed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Time to change America's militaristic policy, not go looking for new fights.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75491Thu, 01 Mar 2007 03:12:59 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75491S.Omid ArabDear American friend, Your article has some interesting points but it's not well balanced.I do agree with you about misbehaviours in Iran, but remember that all kinds of misbehaviours are caused by confronted situation.For example,Bush administration claims that we are supporting Hamas in Palestine or Hezbollah in Lebanon...let's say they are right,but the reason that we do so is that we are induced by some signals sent by U.S. Bush administration has sent two navies to Oman sea and for sure we should send a signal telling them we have no joke with them. We also examine our capabilities in the mean time. If you are really interested in having no tension in Middle East which is either our dream, tell your government keeping your army in home and stop weapon business and first try to improve that Iraq had weapons for mass distruction and then talk about Possible Atomic Weapon made by Iran, then we also negotiate with Mr. Ahmadinejad asking him not to call U.S "GREAT SATAN" any more. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75495Thu, 01 Mar 2007 03:14:45 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75495ed"Our objective should not be to change the regime, but to change its behavior. If the Iranian people want to change the regime, that should be up to them". Does anyone else find this statement ironic. We went into Iraq supposedly because of WMD's,found none, did our regime change, and have found out the hard way it was a bad idea. Now, we have Iran, who we "USA" made into this powerhouse of the region, telling us exactly what they are doing and we are now unable to do anything about it because of our current situation in Iraq. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75502Thu, 01 Mar 2007 03:22:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75502Keith EdwardsI do not blame Iran or any other country for wanting nuclear weapons to protect themselves. The war mongers of the U.S. have proven time and again that they will overthrow your goverment right or wrong. Iran has een our invasions of Iraq (2X), Somalia, Bosnia, Afghanistan and pretty much any other we feel like overthrowing. How else can you protect yourself? The U.S. has been at war 50% of the time since 1940. I would be afraid too!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75568Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:33:17 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75568MTsideSharon Mitchell. Where is your head? After seeing everything that happens in this world you decide to put the blame on religion. WEAK. EXTREMELY WEAK!! Evil comes from those that listen to and act upon the ugly voices in their heads. Understand that! Oh yeah, go to church or something and learn something new.Isn't it true: "Most folks only want God's presents but not his presence?" Sounds like you're are one of them.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75585Thu, 01 Mar 2007 05:12:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75585Vidyardhi NanduriWisdom should prevail to take advance steps Earth Planet is in grave danger of loosing sanctity of Life. United Nations should take the lead in convening this meeting:Recognise the leadeship qualities from all contending parties and throw open the question: HOW TO YOU WORK FOR PEACE ? In the process , let UN work out modalities for NEUTRAL Governance. A neutral country like India should come forward to host the Dialogue and Conference. Vidyardhi Nanduri Cosmology World Peacehttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75608Thu, 01 Mar 2007 06:04:34 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75608adelheid PfluegerI am amazed that some people, do not have slightest idea what they are talking about. Read some lessons of history to enlighten your selves. You follow a man who went to war under false pretenses. he wanted to revenge for his father. Remember the words: "He tried to hurt my daddy". Is that a cause? I am a soldiers wife, and I do believe that it was a stupid statement, and America's best have to die, or be maimed for this. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75609Thu, 01 Mar 2007 06:04:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75609adelheid PfluegerI am amazed that some people, do not have slightest idea what they are talking about. Read some lessons of history to enlighten your selves. You follow a man who went to war under false pretenses. he wanted to revenge for his father. Remember the words: "He tried to hurt my daddy". Is that a cause? I am a soldiers wife, and I do believe that it was a stupid statement, and America's best have to die, or be maimed for this. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75622Thu, 01 Mar 2007 06:32:16 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75622rh, los angelesThe non-proliferation treaty has 3 main terms. 1. The minor powers agree to not get nukes 2. In exchange for not getting nukes the IAEA will help the minor powers to get nuclear reactors for civillian use. No sanctions or embargo's permitted for minor signatory's in getting nuclear power plants. 3. In exchange for not getting nukes the major powers will dismantle their existing nukes. 4. Any state may exit the non-prolif treat after a 90 day waiting period. US/UK are expanding their nuclear arsenal with bunker busting nukes and other MIRV enhancements. The create problems if other sinatories who are not their puppets try to get nukes. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75680Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:54:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75680D. Andrew CookI believe that the wisest course of action vis-a-vis Iran would be simply to appoint a new diplomat who knows exactly what it takes to deal with religious fanatics who would conquer us militarily. A man with extensive experience, who ran State's Asia dept. towards the end of WW II. He may be rather elderly, but I believe that the only man who can end the Persian's dream of resurrecting their ancient empire is none other than the venerable Dr. Newcomb. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75681Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:02:24 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75681Lucky Ntimane, Cape Town, RSAIf India, Pakistan and Israel have Nuclear Weapons i don't see what the problem is with Iran having one.Iran is a sovereign state with a democratically elected president. It is within their right to have as many Nuclear weapons as they want. USA has more nukes more than India, Pakistan and China combined and no one is complaining about that.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75684Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:08:58 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75684sandy, reno nevadaThis problem with Iran isn't really a problem. What I mean is, there are a handful of nations (some of them nuclear, which Iran is years from being) that spew out hate for the United States every day. Iran has been doing this over 20 years, so what has changed? I think we should be more concerned over N. Korea, for one, but mainly Pakistan-not Iran. Our "ally" Pakistan, has nuclear weapons whose technology they sold around the world, a "first strike policy", they fund madrassas, are probably harboring Bin Laden, and above all, Pakistan is a dictatorship that was born of a coup de tat with the "President" being the general that led the coup. They nearly went to nuclear war with India about 4 years ago, which no one seems to remember, as well. We need to get the hell out of Iraq, which we never should have gone into, send the troops to Afghanistan to carpet bomb the Taliban (which we should have done in the beginning) and flush out Al-Queda in Afghanistan AND Pakistan, (I don't care how bent out of shape they get over that). Who cares about Iran? If they want to pick a fight with Israel, Israel is quite capable of taking care of itself, and they already have the nukes. Iran would be commiting suicide. And by the by, China, who owns 20% of our national debt, has a million man standing army and nuclear weapons of its own should at least be holding our attention.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75717Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:06:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75717ClaytoNorth Korea worries me way more than Iran, yet we choose to treat Kim with oil, money, electricity. He's now has 'The Bomb' and he gets rewarded for being off his rocker. The Iranian President is no more war crazy than Cheney and his go-boy BUSH. The difference is Cheney is making bank off this war, and the other is talkin smack. We need to Cheney brought up on charges for treason for his role in ousting a CIA agent. Bush and Cheney for lieing to us to get us into a war that is nothing but a kiss of death to our country. Oh yah, and some people say... Fox is a news station. The right wing propaganda network. They lie and soldiers die!!!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75735Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:43:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75735Harris ON CanadaPlease review the history of this globe, all the Super Powers of the past have fallen, Romans, Greeks etc. The only traps I see America fallen into is greed and the want to push it's views and powers onto other countries. America needs to worry about Americans 8 trillion in debt, unprotected boarders, 3 million illegal Mexicans a year enter the country, loss culture. loss of health care for the poor, loss of Amercan jobs to over sees, soaring consumer prices. Folks the bubble is about to pop, we need to clean up our own house before we try and clean up someone else's, this country needs to regroup and refocus on it's number one resource...........it's people, it's boarders, it's infrastructure. China, Russia, India and the Arab world are buying this country out from us piece by piece, someone has to wake up soon. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75768Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:49:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75768Richard Elliott, Cleveland, OhioToday I read that the President of Iran has said the following "There is no place in the world that suffers from divisions and wars unless America or the Zionists’ fingerprints are seen there." Our fingerprints were laid at the request of these government's, Mr.Ahmadinejad. Also the following comment was made, "They want to keep science in their hands only ... they don’t want the rest of the world to progress." This statement proves his utter contempt for the United States, a contempt that blinds his ability to speek the truth. He knows better, he was educated here. Most of his followers did not have that luxury. His staements prove that he intends to continue the ways of keeping his people in the dark. To make them believe "his" official truth. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75771Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:54:26 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75771james l.Is everybody insane?I dont understand all the killing.I am worried for my childrens future.As in the words of rodney king,cant we all just get along?Ihttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75788Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:12:27 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75788Rob from PhoenixThank you Sharon, Cut to the Quick. It is not in anyone's interest to enforce a "belief" system on anyone else. I don't think you can ban religion, but.. take it out of politics...Ha, Ha!! Fat Chance!! If only we could. The two seem to be so so entwined. The other bloggers are right, If Iran wants a nuke they will get it, If they use it, they will pay a ghastly price. I hope the common people in Iran know this. Maybe they and we can vote out the leaders in Iran and just about everywhere else, including the US, and everyone can get on with their lives, Peace!! http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75836Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:02:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75836james l.Is everybody insane?I dont understand all the killing.I am worried for my childrens future.As in the words of rodney king,cant we all just get along?Ihttp://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75837Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:03:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75837Alex, Calgary, Alberta, CanadaI can't believe how many naive people are posting comments here! People who don't think Iran is a terrorist sponsor: Hello?? Hizbullah, Hamas, Mahdi Army? Ring any bells? American nukes are the same as Iranian nukes: Hiroshima and Nagasaki were during war, Iran is going to give/sell its nukes to terrorists to use against anyone they want without any deterent because they can just deny it. Pakistan is no worse than Iran: I'll grant the Pakistan ain't no saint but when was the last time you heard Musharraf call for genocide? Doing that is a crime according to the UN. Iran is no threat to America: Has Sept 11th taught you nothing? An ocean is no defense in this day and age. One point that I would like to make is that the Saudis are already putting the pinch on Iran. Since Iran is an oil-based economy, it makes sense to use that as the weapon to fight them with. Use less oil and use it from other places. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75844Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:06:28 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75844F MartinI wonder how much truth is coming out of this administration, this country is already a POLICE STATE were decisions are made on our behalf by few and we don't have much to say about it. Democracy is history my friends.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75854Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:15:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75854Cochise, Oklahoma City, OKThe U.S. is not the Worlds police-- I wish someone would relay that message to Washington and all the Presidents for war.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75855Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:15:37 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75855R Hunt, MassachusettsThe primary reason there is a problem with Iran, is that WE put, and kept, the Shah in power to counter the threat of Soviet domination of the oil-rich Persian gulf region during the Cold War. The Shah was a despot, but he was anti-Soviet, so we didn't care. Therefore, the Iranians have a reason to hate us, as do the Shiites in Iraq for supporting Saddam. We have a long history of supporting Despotic leaders for our own benefit. That being said, we cannot continue to play "Daddy spank" with these flegling nuclear powers. "Don't do this or that, Daddy spank". The truth, and they know it, is we rarely "spank" anyone. I think the message needs to be sent very publically and very clearly. "You say your interest is only in nuclear power generation. We realize that we cannot stop you from producing a nuclear device, if you really want one. If however, you use a nuclear device, or give a nuclear device to anyone to use against us, or our allies; it will be your last". You want to drive a wedge between the Iranian people and their government, let them know that if their leaders use a bomb they will be incinerated. That might make them a little more interested in regime change. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75858Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:19:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75858Michael McClure, Ukiah, ORI don't understand why we refuse to comunicate with the administration in Iran. Saying that we would like to have talks but they must end their nuclear endevors first makes no clear sense to me. If it were up to me I would say you want to develop nuclear power that is a great idea we want to help you. Than you move in help them develop a safe stable atomic power facility and in the process you make sure that it can not be used to develop weapons. They have oil so they have the ability to pay for our asistance it becomes a win win situation.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75877Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:31:31 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75877Michael WarnerAs I read through all of the comments I seem to find all the pro nuclear for Iran comments from middle eastern names. Are you guys all nuts? Look we have been extremely nice so far as to take a murderous dictator out of power and give that power back to it's people with not even a thank you. I believe we should have just carpet bombed the whole middle east and been done with the whole problem.( That is just one reason I am not in charge) because we are trying to deal with this diplomatically. I hope we will learn you can't reason with these people they are extremely uneducated and bullish. It is their ancient thinking that causes all these problems. One thing I have learned is you dont win over someones support by "doing it anyway". You have to use your brain to reason with people. Not muscle. Hopefully the middle eat will one day learn sooner than later this is not a backyard playground with children and bullies who get what they want. If they dont? Kill em all and let "God" sort them out. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75887Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:41:54 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75887Hawkish1This is a ridiculous debate, Iran has daily chantings of "Death to America". You want these people to have the bomb? Are you insane?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75924Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:12:25 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75924Charley DCome on Americans! Wake up and smell the coffee while you still can! The intentions of the Iranian leadership in regards to nuclear proliferation is clear. Their leader has said it several times, that he plans to share nuclear knowledge with the entire muslim community once he has it. Is it so far fetched to believe that with the proliferation of nuclear capabilities amongst those responsible for terrorism that we won't find ourselves a victim of nuclear use on our own soil? Don't be lulled into a sense of security because your able to go shopping everyday, back and forth to work without the fear of death, and able to take your family on your annual vacation at your vacation home. The reality is that we have sleeper cells in this country right now just waiting for the word to start killing americans, and rest assured they are supported by the likes of Iran. Lets wake up and clean house not only in this country, but around the world, so we can all live in peace.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#75949Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:28:50 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:75949Marty, Moncton, N-B CanadaThis is in reponse to Aaron from Kentuky, you are right we should not compare Iran to Pakistan b/c with regards to Iran they are at least up front with what they think and what they want to accomplish (which is completely out to lunch and they are a dangerous threat) while with respect to Pakistan maybe they don't have 'their' weapons in Iraq but let us see we help them economically and militarily while the majority of their population hates the west, they not only harbor the Taliban (who are killing american, british and canadian troops in Afghanistan) but pakistani's consist of the majority of the Taliban, their secret police (pakistan) continues to arm and train the Taliban, all the while President Musharaf (a dictator in his own right) continues to pretend to be our friend! Let me remind you that Pakistan was the only contry who recognized and supported the Taliban while they where in power. So yes lets keep financing and arming an 'ally' so they can continue to support the group that is killing western troops in Afghanistan. Iran is a threat and will continue to be for years to come but it does appear they are alieniating their own support at home and hopefully this will come back to haunt them, while on the other hand we have 'our ally' Pakistan who already has nuclear weapons and continues to harbor and support terrorist all the while smiling at us and wanting western aid. Who is the bigger threat?http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#76208Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:20:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76208Jay HI keep reading from all of these posts "the truth is" bla bla bla. Well the truth is that NONE OF US know the truth about any of this. Everybody on here thinks they are an expert on foreign policy. Some people on here claim that the intelligence about Iran funding the terrorists in Iraq is flawed yet they belive it when someone makes an "off the wall" comment about the administration. Basically what I'm trying to say is that I think that its absurd that we believe anything that any government or news organization says. There all human and have an agenda. I guess it all depends on which lies your willing to believe. None of us on here know the actual sitution on the ground. Lets quit arguing over something that we actually know nothing about.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#76230Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:40:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76230SQ, Cypress, TXAll Iran wants is to be recognized as one of the "big boys" and they have earned this status by showing ploitical and economic stabiity. Give peace a chance by starting a dialogue between US, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Israel, Russia, and China and/or whomever is seeking a vital peace interest in the region. It is obvious that Iran's current leaders have issued bold statements, but keep in mind that that was a response to our own boldness and agressiveness in that region. World consensus clearly states that Iraq War is a big mistake and bullying Iran will be a bigger mistake. Recognizing Iran as a nuclear power will give that region a sense of balance, Israel being a representative of Western thought and Iran representing the East. The challenge for us is to ensure that Iran complies with the rules of the game. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#76258Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:00:29 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76258chuck otto,Bradenton,FloridaI love the logic, since the United States,etc has nuclear weapons-why not Iran? well, why not Japan,Tiawan,Cuba,Peru,Columbia,Mexico and the bully living next to you????? people who burn flags(like Iran)and hold people as hostages will use nuclear weapons if the have them.That is why you do not want Iran to have them.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#76261Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:03:00 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76261heeheeluckany countries creative the nuclear to destory Isreal! because Isreal is the holy land and that countries doesnt accpet it. they want destory Jersalem. but I am telling you that they cant destory Isreal Jersalem because that land is she!! she is mean God's wife!!! so see Saddam already creative bio-cheimnry rocket. and did fire but it fail. Saddam said it fake one. do you see why fail cause cant destory Isreal period!!!http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#76269Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:08:40 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76269James Roderick Ross, Indianapolis, INThe only train coming to a stop in the near future is that of the tyrannical factions that have controlled the American government since the abolition of slavery. The U.S. elite have been violently and economically undermining popularly elected, leftist, social democracies throughout the world without interruption for the past 100 years and have been parading these fascists escapades in the name of democracy, equality, justice, freedom, and free-market protection. These inequities will not stand. Either the true American democracy will rise up once again to shift these tides, or, the billions throughout the world who have suffered at our hands while we turned our heads will shift the tides for us. All things will come back to a state of equilibrium. This is THE WAY of the universe, according to all great texts of philosophy, theology, spirituality and ethics. These are the final hours for Americans to awaken and save our country; to preserve it and fight for it in the hopes that perhaps one day, we will be able to truly unify as an American Nation; not just in word, but in spirit. We are undeniably the least physically fit group of people in the world. Our greatest failure is the loss of understanding of the unity between mind, body, and soul. We are out of balance, and the opportunity to see ourselves as we truly are is slipping away quickly. Will we see ourselves in time and right our wrongs, or, will someone have to do it for us? When our bombers no longer have fuel to fly, the billions who we have done injustice to will still be able to march. If we attack Iran a wave of fury will be unleashed upon us as has never been seen in known history. If we force them, they will march into this great, fertile land (that can feed 90% of the world’s population) and give it back to whom it belongs; humanity. A million Chinese, a million Indians, a million Muslims, a million Russian, a million Latinos, and a few million conscious Americans coming down on every side of our border; all united in their crusade against injustice. The final evolution to a true democracy. An awesome sight. A terrible sight for certain. Just as Babylon and Rome collapsed under the weight of their own hypocracies and inequities, so too will America; because equality is not the destination, equality is the way. Unity is not the destination, unity is the way. These are the most timeless and universal truths. Will we come back to them, or will we perish in our conceitedness and refusal to recognize them? Too sacrifice a little of our material wealth now, or to sacrifice all of it later? Too be ONE, or to be none? I, James Roderick Ross http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#76276Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:17:33 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76276Kevin South StPaul MnIran needs Iraq to be unstable and chaotic. That Chaos buys them valuable time to add more resources to their nuclear program before more attention can be given to them. When all the fighting/chaos ends in Iraq/Afghanistan, the U.S. (like we did in Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Turkey, Sinai, Kosovo & many other countries)will station thousands of troops and fighter wings just waiting for their orders to attack Iran, Syria, Pakistan, and anywhere else in the region. Recent History shows us after hard times like WWII, Korea, Cuba Missile Crisis, and sadly Vienam we are better off when we stand our ground and strategically put the chess pieces to work against national foes. Peace and Detente by iteself does not work. Peace and Detente with 1000's of troops/aircraft behind you works. Like the named countries above - Iran, Syria and, others will soon find themselves surrounded strategically by the U.S. & they will see what the USSR, North Korea, China, Serbs & others saw all those years. CHECKMATE!!! You are surrounded!!! WWIII never broke out because we had the fortitude to fight and plan ahead. 'W' and his axis of evil mentality actually has something right. Lets just hope the U.S. does what it does best and build bases on the outskirts of Iraq and Afghanistan and pullout of the cities. Time for the the U.S. to handover Iraq and Afghanistan to the natives, fallback to the newly built permanant bases, regroup, and fix their sights on other real dangers and threats... http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#76297Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:36:35 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76297Jeff, CanadaDoes anybody on this side of the earth ever stop to think that maybe there are some sickos over here that want this chaos to happen. DISTRACTIONS. By putting so much focus on the middle east and there apparent need to see the west struggle, we are being BLINDED to the facts. The Facts are...Our governments are driven by money. I doesn't matter what has to happen,ie. FLU outbreaks, War, etc. etc., or who they hurt. If it can make them or the people who own them (The Corporate World)money then it will be done. So many people will read this and think I'm a MORON eh! But take a little time out of your day, do a little bit of research, and then using YOUR OWN COMMON SENSE you will be amazed at your conclusions. Unfortunately one thing I can say is people are being manipulated everyday via Media and Government Rhetoric and Propaganda. If you use YOUR BRAIN and the FACTS without any regard for what TV or Newspapers report you will surely see a different perspective.PEOPLE...STAND WITH/FOR PEOPLE.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#76303Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:43:07 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76303Joe washington city WAPoliticians cause peoples of nations to go to war over the politicians personal battles with other politicians. Solution: We send our grand kids to their rooms for a time out when they don't get along and play well together. LETS ROUND UP ALL THE POLITICIANS AND PLACE THEM ON A LARGE ISOLATED ISLAND AND GIVE THEM A TIME OUT. {{{AND LETS JUST FORGET WHERE THEY ARE}}} Maybe the next set of politicians will remember it's our interests they are too be taking care of, not their's. Signed, A father who is disabled from fighting this countries wars, who's son is now disabled from fighting this countries wars, who's who'sgrand childen may never have the honor of serving their country due to the self centered, egocentric, politicians who are will to spend our blood and not let us fight to win. There is nothing politically correct about war. Let them roll or bring them home! A Grandfather/Father and Son of America's wish.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#76321Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:00:47 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76321Nicklan, WashingtonWe need an Iran that is a Friend to Freedom ! Not an enemy to the Free World. We need to see proof from the Iranian people that that is what they want. Prove to the Free that you Love and Promote complete Freedom. Show the world that you want friendship and prove it and we will all have it !http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#76364Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:37:05 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76364Stephen Marder, Portsmouth, VIrginiaI think almost everyone is playing right into the hands of the Bush administration, especially in regard to Iran. I don't believe it is reasonable or responsible for journalists to discuss "provocative gestures" by Iran without also discussing what the U.S. is doing to provoke them. The Bush administration wants everyone to constantly talk about Iran's nuclear program and its rockets, etc.. You folks are doing Bush's work for him. I believe that the U.S. can contain Iran, in the same way we contained Iraq, without bombing them. Afterall, it turns out that we were more successful in containing Iraq's behavior than we previously thought. What WMD's? Isn't the issue protecting us and our interests? We have to be careful the we don't change the mind set of Iran from; wanting to attack us, to having no choice. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#76373Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:48:49 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76373stephen Marder, Portsmouth, VIrginiaResponse to Marty, Canada. I think you forgot the part where Iran theatens Israel almost daily, with destruction. Who is Pakistan openly theatening? Nobody, thats who. Would you rather Pakistan not work with us at all? You really should do some reading on the structure of the Pakistan Gov't. Not everyone in Pakistan agrees with working with the US. Their President walks a thin line, you know, kinda like Bush and his 34% approval rating. I suspect support for the actions of the United States is about the same in Canada, pretty darn low.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#76387Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:01:19 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76387stephen Marder, Portsmouth, VIrginiaYou folks who say,"don't you understand that Iran is a threat to us?", really need to get out more. Just because someone has the means to hurt you doesn't give you the right to destroy them. In other words; just because your neighbor owns a gun, and it makes you uncomfortable, doesn't give you the right to kill em so you feel "better". Are you really ready to send our troops into harm's way again based on what the Bush administration says? That doesn't seem sane to me.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#76411Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:31:11 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76411Ray K New York, NYI think it's clear that a nuclear armed Iran will not respect human life and this will not be used to discourage attack from other countries..I truly believe Iran would use a nuclear weapon or transfer it to a terror organization to promote it's interests..Anyone who supports suicide attackers cannot be trusted..How many warnings do we need..Would we rather deal with nuclear blackmail from these people? Israel will act if we do not as they understand the cold reality of this scenario..And we will of course follow up when the sure to come retaliation is attempted against Israel..So this would be like outsourcing this task to Israel.This is not the way the dominant force of the world should deal with big issues..This is cowardly on our part....Iran declared war on us in 1979 by taking our embassy and they should have been flattened for that..The Russians would have probably given them 24 hours to release their citizens before they torched them...How many warnings do we need ?..Act now...act decisively...shut this down...make it clear we will not play this game..And to all who say why not Iran if others have nuclear weapons just realize you are not comparing apples to apples here..you are comparing islamic fanatics to people who value life...http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#76907Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:05:10 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:76907C A, Tuscaloosa, AL I see a lot of fear, and yes hope and prayer in all these messages, regardless of the stated positions, that we are able to avert the use of nuclear weapons around the world. I too pray for the same. Unfortunately, based on the history of man, and his propensity for agression and war, one would have to be naive to think that one day, somewhere, somebody is not going to use one of these weapons of mass destruction. It may not be tomorrow or even 10 years from now, but the day is coming. For the good of the world's population we do need to do all we can to limit the spread of such capability, and to be prepared to immediately anniliate any enemy that releases one of these weapons. The real problem arises when one of these weapons is used by a radical group where no specific country or nation can be immediately identified as the guilty party. Do we intentionally picked out a country to destroy without confirmation that they were the perpetrators of such a horrid act (like our invasion of Iraq who had nothing to do with 911), or do we guess and hope we have it right while our warheads streak across the sky towards those we surmise were the perpetrators. If you were President and a radical group set off a nuclear weapon in one of our cities, and you could not be sure whether the guilty parties were tied to Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, China, India, Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Argentina, Saudi Arabia or others, where would you respond? http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#77004Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:54:03 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:77004Stephen Marder, Portsmouth, VIrginiaWe should not compare the actions the US takes with the policies of others. The US should be the moral standard. We should always take the high ground. And another thing, Ray from NY, we cannot "flatten" them. It will only cost us. Look at Iraq, do want to start another recruitment center in Iran? We have to play the game. The problem is the players on our side seem to be stupid. The right thing to do is always the hardest.http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#77090Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:50:41 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:77090C A, Tuscaloosa, ALThe creation of nuclear bombs is and will be the scurge of mankind. The purpose of such weapontry is to kill hundreds of thosands of people, ergo - weapon of mass destruction. But what of this purpose. It is always one individual or a handful of fanatics who set the world on a path to war and destruction. We know who those people were in the past and we know who they are today. The rest of us across the world are innocent bystanders. So one can say the purpose of a weapon of mass destruction is to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people. One can no longer argue a nuclear bomb serves as a deterent as so many possess the capability now, including radicals who will use the weapon in a preemtive strike. They will not be deterred even by those nations with stockpiles of nuclear bombs. We would have been much better served if we had concentrated our efforts on the development of special teams who could be sent around the world to assasinate this handful of fanatical war mongers. Such special teams could cut of the heads of the snakes while the innocents are left alone in peace. And when another evil individual or group of individuals take the place of the original snakes, or are foolishly put into a leadership role by their people who have been duped and influenced by their power of persuasion, we send teams out again to cut their heads off as well. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#77314Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:49:30 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:77314Aunt Millie Mi.Come on people, THINK! Within minutes of the attack on 911 if not seconds Muslums from Dearborn.Mi.,a.k.a. Little Baghdad, to the shores of Indonesia and all in between were in the streets and on rooftops doing their lalalalala's and dancing in the streets,celebating and praising Alla.They all knew where it came from before any investigation even started. Which if you recall is still being hashed at from all different angels.Are we that shallow?Time is running out for all of us demons living in the land of the great satan.What would you feel if you really thought you were killing real devils and demons? As sure as a 5 year old child KNOWS that there is a REAL Santa Clause, these Muslems KNOW that we are evil demons that must be eleminated, to put it mildly.We can not waste any more time,we have tried every thing as far as political corretness goes.Can we wait on Israel to take this to hand? http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#77747Sat, 03 Mar 2007 09:27:32 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:77747Patrice C. Olathe, KansasIt is a basic law of human nature: If you assume someone is an enemy, your behavior toward them is behavior appropriate to that assumption. They react to being treated as an enemy with hostility, because that is consistent with how they are being treated. Their hostile reaction confirms your assumption that they are an enemy and reinforces your behavior toward them, which, in turn, reinforces their reaction to how they are being treated, which confirms your assumption and further shapes your behavior, ad infinitum. All of this is true on an individual level, but even more so in groups, especially when so many members of a group pay their mortgages because it is true. This country spends most of its money on "defense", while its poor are not educated and health care is a luxury. And yet, Christianity is a bigger deal than ever in the U.S. Another axiom of human behavior is that you always attribute your own flaws to transient situational causes, but you attribute the flaws of others to their permanent bad character traits. Racism and other forms of bigotry are on the rise in the U.S., openly cultivated in the media. Racism is particularly strong towards Muslims, whom we are told want to kill us all, because they hate us. Clearly, "the Money-Changers" are in the temple/church and they are selling blood for oil. http://hardblogger.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/02/28/74022.aspx#80939Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:02:38 GMT8a5d2dbc-a0e4-4c7a-979f-3188051f228e:80939Bruce, Meridian, IdahoLast time I looked the world was on a path of destruction and the world leaders of Russia, China, Europe and I hope USA know it... It's just my opinion but have you noticed that Russia & China always side against US on the Middle east and North Korean issues. Currently China is rebuilding and updating it's military, performing joint military manuevers with Russia. I suspect when Military actions take place against Iran, both Russia and China will back Iran thus igniting WWIII. It's all about Americas need to defend it's strategic hold on the worlds oil reserves. (or so they say) I'm no military man however I would think Russia would bring it forces to aid Iran, China would take Tiawan, North Korea/China would take South Korea, splitting US forces and reserves. I believe they (Russia, China & puppet Iran) are waiting for the right moment to challenge the US. What will it take? I believe it will be Israel or US bombing Iran sites, The world will condem Israel & US thus igniting WWIII, the domino effect will start and life on earth will never be the same.